Bob Goodale

Bob Goodale: [00:00:00] There are 12 steps in the Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous. And the first step is the minute we were powerless over alcohol. Our life was unmanageable. I never, I got, you know, that's still a problem. You still have lots of, I'm, you know, I'm wildly imperfect, still am. And that's, but that's the beauty of it being wild.

Because if we were all perfect, it wouldn't be worth being here, you know? I mean, that's what, that's the goodness of it is our imperfection. But anyway. So I got this realized that we, that I was powerless over alcohol. That was a no brainer. I saw that when I went to treatment, I saw that and I said, wow, that's the deal.

And I never had, and I couldn't drink like anybody else, but I had never switched that to, that I was powerless over it.[00:01:00]

B. Reeves: Good afternoon, everybody. My name is B Reeves. I'm the director of business development here at New Waters Recovery with my colleague and friend, Thomas Hogshead, who is our director of admissions and director of operations. And our good friend Bob Goodell here, who is a local, I'd say more than a local legend in the recovery community.

And I've got a partial bio of Bob, but I'm going to read just to get us started. And this is from his, the board of, is a member of the board of trustees from healing transitions. Bob Goodale is a former Harris Teter CEO and former NC deputy secretary of commerce. In addition to his past service on the healing transitions board of directors and current service on the board of [00:02:00] trustees, Bob serves on the board of directors of pivot point, WNC pavilion and the alcohol and drug council of North Carolina.

Where he also served as president. He previously served on the Hanley Hazelden Foundation Board of Directors, Hazelden National Advisory Committee, Hazelden, New York City Advisory Board. North Carolina Department of Corrections Substance Abuse Advisory Board, Rebound Charlotte Board of Directors, Amethyst Foundation, Chairman of the Board, and the Charlotte Treatment Center Board of Directors and Capital Campaign Chairman.

Bob served in the Army after receiving a BS degree from Iowa State University. He also received an MBA from the University of Kansas. Bob is a recipient of the Order of the Longleaf Pine. His other honors include the Trotter Black Award, Hope Haven Charlotte for his unique contributions in the field of recovery, and the Order of the Hornet [00:03:00] Mecklenburg County, North Carolina Board of County Commissioners highest award.

Bob's story of addiction recovery is told in Second Chances by Gary Stromberg. Welcome, Bob. Thank you so much for being here. And we are so glad to have you and be talking to you today. Wow,

Bob Goodale: that's long.

B. Reeves: What's happened since

Bob Goodale: then? What have you been up to? Well, that went back to golly, a long ways.

Yeah, too long. I wrote it. Yeah, well. I get that. It's good to be here. Well, we're glad to have you. Great to be here, Bay. Great to be here, Thomas. Well,

B. Reeves: Tell us a little bit just about how you found yourself in the world of recovery. What, you know, kind of, we talked about what we were like, what happened and what we're like now, you know, give us a little

Bob Goodale: bit of that.

The big thing is that all those, All that stuff about, you know, what I did professionally and but the biggest thing that happened to me is I stopped drinking in 1972, I don't say I got sober by the way, because nobody gets sober on their first day. [00:04:00] I say I stopped drinking and because you know, I began to get really emotionally sober is what it's about.

And so I'll, I just want to start there because that's the big deal is being emotional and I didn't begin to find that maybe for 20 years. Wow. We'll talk about that maybe some, but yeah I had to stop because I couldn't quit. And, it was, it is hilarious as we know, it's our stories.

I I was I was just, you know, falling downwards. I was spiritually, I was bankrupt in every way except financially. And I it was getting worse and worse. And I as president of the PTA. You know, my wife and I were president of the PCA, and I was just out there, you know.

So, I wanted to I wanted to [00:05:00] see the bishop because I had problems, and then rather than go to my, you know, p Episcopal parish priest. I went to see the bishop and I said that I had a couple things I want to talk to him about. So over lunch in Omaha, they're one of their finest steakhouses I said I had two problems.

One was problems with my marriage and the other. The other was that I couldn't drink like other people. And over three martinis apiece, we agreed that we would work on the marriage first. Six months later, after running the car off a road, in Omaha, flames burnt, you know, in Stubblefield. Late at night or early in the morning flames all around the car.

And ran off the fire department came, ran off again. I called him up and I said, I got to do something. He said, place just opened up here in Omaha. And he says, I'll call him. And so down I went. I was number seven. The bishop was number 46. And that's how it began. Well, I [00:06:00] thought it was about not drinking.

Right. See, I thought it was about non drinking, so I was a two stepper for a long time. And it's and so, I was, I know what being restless, irritable, and discontented is. The closer you were to me, the more you knew that. You wouldn't have known it otherwise. But and I just was, I was too stubborn.

What

B. Reeves: changed 20 years in of, would you say you were a dry junk, dry drunk for 20 years?

Bob Goodale: Yeah. Yeah. What changed? I know the difference. Well, it was that I got lucky and was just figured out, it was presented to me that success was not about power and money. Wow! How long until you found a sponsor, Bob?

Well, I got, well, I'm, I got a sponsor. I began, when I became CEO of Harris Teeter, I thought that would fix me, by the way. I thought, because that's what I aspire to, and it didn't. That day was not a good day. So the next day I found myself going [00:07:00] to a meeting at the Randolph Clinic in Charlotte.

And I knew it when I walked in, like we hear all the time, you know, that's where I needed to be. And I would check in periodically, whenever we moved around, I'd check in immediately, but, you know. And so I I started to go, going amazing, and I got a sponsor, but you know. I got a friend, we would have coffee, you know, there are sponsors and there are sponsors.

So, and so, I got a sponsor and I started going to you know, started showing up. And that was 85, so that was, 13 years in or something like that. And but then I I so I started showing up. Osmosis was occurring, I'll say. You know, I was showing up. And so part of my two steps, it was really two and a fraction, you know.

Half of the first and all the second, middle third, the twelfth, [00:08:00] and half of the eleventh, and some of that stuff. And Will you explain,

B. Reeves: though, in further detail what the two step, two stepping

Bob Goodale: means? Oh, yeah, sure. People don't know the difference. So, there are twelve steps. In the Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous.

And the first step is, the minute we were powerless over alcohol, our life was unmanageable. I never, I got, you know, that's still a problem. I still have lots of, I'm, you know, I'm wildly imperfect. Still am. And that's, but that's the beauty of it being, well, because if we were all perfect, it wouldn't be worth being here, you know, I mean, that's what, that's the goodness of it is our imperfections.

But anyway, so I got this realized that we, that I was powerless over alcohol. That was a no brainer. I saw that when I went to treatment. I saw that and I said, wow, that's the deal. And I never had, I couldn't drink like anybody else, but I had never switched [00:09:00] that to. that I was powerless over it. I wanted to drink like other people.

I want advice on how to do that or what to do about it. So I got that. And and the second step is can believe that only a power greater than myself could restore me to sanity. And I was nuts. I was crazy. I mean, it was bad, crazy. Well, it's good, crazy but too much bad, crazy. Oh, wow. And and when I saw that, I said, Ooh, yes.

So there's where the, that's a kind of a step and a half, if you will, but we call that the first two steps and don't go on from there. And so if we don't get into the spiritual part, you know. And if we don't get into examining our character defects and and working the rest of the steps, then we are [00:10:00] stuck.

At being dry and and that's not a good, I mean, it's a better place to be because you I stayed, what I did is I stayed dry long enough to begin to get sober. Yeah. That was the deal and I wasn't going to pick up. It wasn't, that was never an issue because I was, because I, The consequences were, you know, I missed the decade of the sixties.

I knew that I'm still trying to catch up. So, so that was that's the whole deal. It's not, you know, sobriety is different than abstinence. And I know the difference. And boy, is it something else. It's unbelievable. And it gets, it keeps getting better. I'm 90 years old and it keeps getting better.

So, I mean, if

B. Reeves: there's an example of someone living his life to the fullest, I would point to you. Yeah. I

Thomas Hogshead: mean, [00:11:00] Bob's zest for life. It's contagious. You know, the people that know you in the recovery community, you are revered. You're a champion. And it's

Bob Goodale: It's pretty amazing. Well, it is.

It's, yeah, it is.

B. Reeves: So you, I've known you just for a few years and in the few years I've known you, I've seen you, I haven't seen you do it in person, but I've seen pictures and video of you doing it. So you've repelled, tell us what you've done with the repelling down the Wells

Bob Goodale: Fargo building. Well, so this, so the whole thing was just realizing that I'm wildly imperfect.

But I'm also happy, joyous, and free. And that's the result of being emotionally sober, increasing the emotionally sober life in my periods. You know, of course, but it's far from that. You know, I'm sad. But when I say, you know, moments.

B. Reeves: Even though you were very successful in business and even for a period you were dry, not drinking.

But you were still unable to be present even [00:12:00] without the drink because of the

Bob Goodale: ism was still cooking. Well, yeah. I mean, I was not, I mean, let's say the potential, you know, I learned a lot. Found out what's, I found out what to do by finding out what not to do. Found out what worked by finding out what.

Didn't work. And so I was able to stay dry long enough. So I say to everybody, don't do what I did. Don't wait. Work on the, work on emotional sobriety. It's not just about not drinking, not using, because life is unbelievable. When you when you're able to live it to its fullest. I was

B. Reeves: six months sober and I was in New York and I went to the same meeting every day at this place called Perry Street Workshop.

And I heard a different person every day say this over three days. I came for my drinking, I stayed for my thinking. And that, I think that [00:13:00] totally sums it up for me. Of all the cliches and slogans we hear in recovery, that to me is what it's all about. And my thinking is my emotional sobriety.

Bob Goodale: That's right.

You know? Yeah, I think about it all the time. Yeah.

B. Reeves: So what have you seen from somebody who's been around 50 years, interested in recovery, been to a lot of meetings, you've been on the board? Board of several treatment centers. What do you see as how things have changed for the good, for the bad?

What do you, what are your thoughts on the treatment landscape? Not just recovery itself, but specifically treatment?

Bob Goodale: Well, there's, when I, so comparing it to so I have to compare it to 1972 . And , it's light years different than it is now, and it's going to be light years different fifty years from now.

It's moving in that direction. So, so, I, so I went to treatment. It was a twenty eight day [00:14:00] program. They kept me for six weeks. I'm sure that they thought when they, You know, finally said that I'd be back or, you know, I'd be out or one way or the other. Because they knew enough about what I was hiding.

So they knew I was hiding. That's it. They didn't know about what I was hiding. And and so there wasn't any, there wasn't any you know, get a sponsor. It was the obligatory fourth and fifth. And my obligatory forth, you know, all I wanted to do was head right to the to go home and have an admitting fit, you know, change the lives of others.

Forever. And so, so that's I just hopped right to that. To make amends, except when, but I didn't read that, except when Medusa went injured there by others. You see, I liked I the words like exact and all and, you know, and the [00:15:00] other part of it, like my life was unmanageable.

I didn't, I only got was, I was powerless over alcohol. So I, well, why would I didn't have a sponsor to direct? me. So I wasn't led that way, I wasn't, we weren't taken to any meetings or anything like that. So that's, I mean, of course, it's a lot different now. Who would have believed, for example, that anything like New Waters?

I mean, the police, you know? That's, that wasn't even a dream. Yeah. In that

B. Reeves: light, like working

Thomas Hogshead: with others, Bob, like I, I met you back in 2008 through the late great Fred Barber, and your ability to work with others at Healing Transitions and those men and those women is so profound that your impact on them you still go down there quite a

Bob Goodale: bit and It's much, well, I, it'll never be often enough.

I have, I've always had, I've always liked to have friends who didn't. Think like me look like [00:16:00] me some talk like me and I mean this, I'm like, I travel a lot I've had the opportunity to go places or smell like me. Always had a big, that's why I'm so drawn to you guys.

Anyway, so, but you don't have to go, you don't have to travel far, I mean, it's it's. It's just, I just cannot, because the miracles that you see, I mean, that you see that you're involved in, that you witness, that you're a part of that sometimes happen to you, they're just, it's just a half a latch.

And that's where. I just, so it's part of being happy, joyous, and free as you can do, as I can do that. Yeah, and what you said about people

B. Reeves: not, don't look like me. I mean, I remember when I first found, got home from treatment and was going to meetings and I would see somebody who [00:17:00] walked in and looked like he was about my age and kind of dressed like me and looked like me and I'd be like, Oh, that guy will be my new best buddy and recovery.

You know, and it was pretty rare that person and I had anything in common and then I would, you know, be at a meeting and hear like a, you know, an old lady who was a crackhead and she would say something that I related to more than anything I'd ever heard in my life, you know, and it's a great example of, you know, identifying with instead of comparing to and And that it trans, this transcends everything, you know?

Bob Goodale: Well, I call it that, that I just get more and more material, not necessarily material to you know, to relate to all those, you know, but just I sometimes, not often, I'll be in a place and I'll, I will, and the other day, as a matter of fact, right over, not far from here. At Costco, I was picking up some water, and I met a guy who helped me a lot, uh, who works there, Ben, and we [00:18:00] started laughing, and, and so I was sitting in the car and I was laughing.

And then And the laugh broke into a cry because I realized how lucky, how is this possible? How is it possible? It happens to me all the time. It's just, I'm able to go out in places that I never would have imagined even five years ago that I'd be. Sometimes it's a homeless camp and I'm and I'm witnessing unconditional love and I'm saying to myself, how the hell, how is this possible that I'm here?

And it's it's very moving to me. And so because, so it's like you want more of that, right? And so that's. Yeah. Having

Thomas Hogshead: seen that in action, Bob, people do gravitate towards you in meetings and social settings. I think. I think your [00:19:00] laughter is a big

Bob Goodale: part of that. Well, that's genetic. I can go back to I didn't know my grandfather.

He died when I, but I, but he was a storyteller and then I had an aunt that, so I mean, so that's but it just is because it's. It's it's just, it's a great way to be.

B. Reeves: I know the exact feeling you're talking about. The part laugh, part cried. I never experienced it until recovery, you know, sobriety.

Where I was driving on January 2nd of, I think, 2020. I was a year and a half sober. I was driving to work after I'd been trying to lose, I'd been losing weight for about a year and a half since I got sober. And I was determined to get to below 200 pounds. And on New Year's Day, I woke up and I weighed exactly 200 pounds.

So close. I was shaving and blowing my nose and trying to lose 0. 1 pounds, just mocking me. It's still at 200 pounds. So the next day I had to be at work and I was going to the gym every [00:20:00] morning, driving in the dark. And I got up on January 2nd to drive to work, to go to the gym at my office and then go to work.

And I got, I woke up and I weighed one 99. 1 and I just thought, yes. And then I got in the car to drive out there driving in the dark on I 40 on January 2nd. Nobody's on the road. And just broke down in total tears, but also laughing at the same time. It was what I could only describe as pure joy and the joy of living.

And it wasn't just that I had gotten to this weight loss goal, but it was everything that how my life had completely changed. And it was all due to

Bob Goodale: the 12 steps. Yeah. Well, so speaking of exercise, so, I was in Charlotte and I was, you know, I was restless, irritable, and discontented. My wife recognized that.

And so I was doing a I'd been a gym rat growing up. And so here it is. 20 years later and well, it's almost 30 years later, and my wife made an appointment for me down at the Charlotte [00:21:00] Y, and I, that's where I discovered endorphins. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Oh, man, so I go in the morning and I go at night.

And so here I was, you know, this this CEO of Harris Tierney, we moved our office down and, Now? No, Charlotte. But anyway, say it was about 20 minutes from downtown, maybe 25 from the center, from the downtown wine. That's where I went. So I would leave work dressed like you did in the, you know, in the eighties.

I would leave work and and I would arrive. Absolutely ready to go to the six o'clock class. In other words, for a person this time, on the busiest street in Charlotte, North Carolina, I was naked. This is part of still being crazy, you know? I was too, I was a good kind of, well, maybe [00:22:00] good kind of crazy.

It was, but that's an endorphin. So I'm still, you know, I'm a gym rat. And That's continued to be. I still love those indulgences, so.

Thomas Hogshead: I agree. Bob, clearly you've been influential on many. Who could you share with us that has been deeply influential on yourself? Oh,

Bob Goodale: Fred Barber, you know.

Sure, Fred Barber. And Fred was,

Thomas Hogshead: Instrumental in founding Healing Transitions. Yeah,

Bob Goodale: Fred Barber. And, so I have lots of folks that I, Want to pay attention to I mean I go to two three sometimes four meetings a week still do and I go You know because I'm it's a community of friends and I go because I'm gone You know, it's I'm always gonna pick up something So I have a number of folks Who are important to me [00:23:00] in the community or you know in recovery That so it's a pretty long list, but I can look back at Fred.

I feel him tapping on my shoulder often, and I like that. I like that. It's kind of what, it's kind of what would, you know,

B. Reeves: you know, I'm sure you've heard this way more than I or Thomas or anybody, but you know, when people, I don't get asked as much, but I feel like this is one of those kind of legends we hear about in AA or stories that.

Like a UFO anecdote. You still going to those meetings? You still need to go to those meetings? And, you know, you're nine years old, 50 plus years sober, and you're still going. I mean, that, that's just testament to we don't have to go, we get to go because we love going. You

Bob Goodale: know? What what better to do?

You know? I mean, it's anyway, it's it's pretty special. Yeah. Well, we

B. Reeves: saw some video of you flying a plane recently. Will you tell us [00:24:00] about that?

Bob Goodale: Well, yes, I I had an opportunity on the 21st of December to go to Norfolk with a a friend who whose daughter, and I went with the daughter too, is a third year at the Air Force Academy.

And for her Christmas present, her parents had given her this opportunity to to go to fly one of these, and she flies. She had her pilot's license before she had her driver's license, and she's going to be a pilot. So the question there, her dad, who's a, who's also a pilot and she's going to be a fighter pilot, you know, that right away, but she has to choose between fighters and bombers, that this would be a good experience because he did it as part of his training and recently.

And so what this is an airplane that's built for acrobatics. It only weighs 1, 350 pounds. Think about this. Powered by a 300 horsepower motor. There's a front seat and a back seat, a canopy that [00:25:00] you could, that's as clean as any. Canopy, you can imagine. And and so there's an hour briefing and then she's going up for an hour.

And so I, on the, so he couldn't go, he couldn't take her in their plane. I said, well, I will, near Charlotte. And you don't have to take her. She can take herself, but just to be with her. And then it occurred to me, he couldn't go and then he couldn't. And so then I was going to do that. That well, I'm gonna go on the second date.

I was thinking about it. I said, well, I wanna go and so. And so, I asked them and they said, sure. Well, it turned out that the I wanna go was just flying there in their plane because there's just two seats. . So I thought, well, that was a bit of a disappointment, but I didn't say anything.

But she's up for, she's, I mean, she's gonna go the whole hour. I mean, we're talking about stalls and loopty loops and flying upside down. All the things that you see at air shows and, her [00:26:00] dad said, do you want to go up? And of course, I said, absolutely. I want that adrenaline, you know. And so, so up we went.

And so, and I had the stick. So I was in the front and he was in the back. Had a parachute on, by the way. And they give you, that's part of the drill, take everything out of your pockets like you do when you go to the fair. And away we went. And he said, now take the stick. So I'm, you know, I got the stick.

And he said, all right, because we're going to do barrel rolls. And so we did two barrels and I'm hollering and shouting, you know, all the time because it was unbelievable. And so. So they asked for, when I, so there's a video that you've seen and so they said, they asked for permission to use that in their social media.

Of course I got that. So it was, but that's the part of the deal being happy, joyous, and free and being. [00:27:00] You know, of being interested in in adventure and, you know, not being crazy about it, I guess, but maybe and also it's just to show that it's to show that Maybe, not maybe, but a mission to show that being old doesn't mean that you just have to mildew.

You know, I mean, if you want to build birdhouses, that's fine, or do puzzles, that's fine. You know, and we, so it's an example, like at the gym you know, I do, I can do stuff that's, you know, get on a BOSU ball. That's kind of unusual, but it's because I can. That's part of being happy, joyous, and free, is to find out what you can do and what works.

So anyway. That's awesome.

Thomas Hogshead: So, Bob, is there anything on the bucket list that remains that we should

Bob Goodale: be aware of [00:28:00] upcoming? People, I get asked every once in a while, what's on your bucket list? And my answer is tomorrow. Right on. That's it. That's a

B. Reeves: great answer. One day at a time, we can

Bob Goodale: get through today, then there's tomorrow.

Some folks ask me, well, you know, how'd you do it? You know? Yeah. I say I didn't die. Yeah, I've heard you there,

But the fact is that, you know, I did so, so just to recap here, that it's not about just being dry, right? Just quitting. Just, you know, is that's just. That's not, it is a beginning. The wonderful part of it is to embrace something like the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous and its brethren, and embrace seeking emotional sobriety, understanding the [00:29:00] spiritual nature of recovery, and, uh, and embracing it, and learning, and growing in it.

That's the deal. Don't stop. Just Quitting. Just stopping. Yeah.

Thomas Hogshead: And I think we're deeply fortunate in the Raleigh area to have so many meetings, to have so many treatment facilities, to have so many people that are doing the deal and inspirational to the newcomer.

Bob Goodale: It's just a community a communities of folks.

That you know, the one thing that I like, stick with the winners. Yeah. There are lots of winners. Yeah. And that's part of, you know, we talked about before. Folks, man, I wanna be able to listen. Wanna be next to I go I go to, I'll go to a sweat lodge tonight and there's, there are people there that I want, that I don't see otherwise that I wanna sit next to.

Just because they're fun [00:30:00] and they teach me they teach me to think about things and say things that I. I've never thought about before and that's something else. I

B. Reeves: mean, I love to hear that man, 90 years old, he's still out seeking and learning and wanting to learn. It's, I, this is your, you're in a, we're not here just to blow your boat.

This is, you have no idea how

Bob Goodale: inspiring this is. It is. See me in a sweat lodge. I need so much help even getting in. I don't want to see any video of that. Just like we were talking about before. People say to me, Oh, you don't look like you're 90. I say, well, you watch me walk. So, anyway.

Thomas Hogshead: Well, this has been a great job.

I think it would be nice in closing. If a newcomer came up to you today in a meeting, you know, and he said, Bob, I need help. It's, I'm [00:31:00] in early recovery and I'm struggling. What words of wisdom would you share with him that,

Bob Goodale: Well, tell him I experienced strength and hope. That's what we're supposed to do.

But, you know, it's you're never going to be lied to. You know, come join us and stick, and just, and also, I always want to have an, have a depth of a conversation. It doesn't have to be, you know, terribly long. When I say terribly long, I mean, it can be three or four minutes to be able to look someone and tell them I love them.

Give him a hug and you can't beat that. Well, we love you, Bob. We do love you, Bob. We do. The community loves you. Love you. Thanks sir. Thanks. Thank you so much for doing. It's been a lot of fun. Yeah. We're better off with

B. Reeves: you than we are without .

Bob Goodale: This has been a treat. Thank you. Amen. Thank you. So [00:32:00] thank.

In this inspiring episode, we delve into the life and recovery journey of Bob Goodale, a former Harris Teeter CEO and a prominent figure in the recovery community. Bob shares his insights on the importance of embracing imperfection, the transformative power of the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, and the pivotal role of emotional sobriety in leading a fulfilling life.

**Key Points Discussed:**

- Bob's realization of his powerlessness over alcohol and the significance of admitting imperfection as a step towards recovery.

- The impact of emotional sobriety, which Bob emphasizes is much more than just abstaining from alcohol.

- The evolution of Bob's career and his continuous contributions to the recovery community through various board memberships and philanthropic efforts.

- Bob's adventurous spirit, as showcased by his activities such as repelling down buildings and flying planes, underscoring the joy and freedom found in recovery.

**Guest Bio:**

Bob Goodale, former CEO of Harris Teeter and NC Deputy Secretary of Commerce, is celebrated for his remarkable journey from addiction to a beacon of hope within the recovery community. With a history of extensive service on boards like Healing Transitions and the Alcohol and Drug Council of North Carolina, Bob's story is one of transformation, service, and continuous growth.

**Resources Mentioned:**

- Healing Transitions: ⁠healing-transitions.org⁠

- Alcoholics Anonymous:⁠aa.org⁠

- Book "Second Chances" by Gary Stromberg, featuring Bob's story.

**Closing Thoughts:**

Bob Goodale's life story is a testament to the power of recovery, community, and continuous personal growth. His message to embrace imperfection and seek emotional sobriety offers profound insights for anyone on the path to recovery or in pursuit of a more meaningful life.

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