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In this enlightening episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with Joanna Lilley, a Nationally Certified Counselor and the founder of Lilley Consulting. Joanna shares her unique approach to working with young adults and their families, helping them navigate the challenges of mental health, substance use, and academic setbacks. With over a decade of experience in wilderness therapy and higher education, Joanna discusses the importance of taking the time to truly understand each client’s needs and matching them with the right resources. She emphasizes the value of transparency, honesty, and the delicate balance between being supportive and direct in guiding young adults toward success.

### Timestamps:
- **[00:00] Introduction**: Welcome and episode overview.
- **[01:00] Meet Joanna Lilley**: Joanna introduces herself and her work as a therapeutic consultant.
- **[04:00] From Counseling to Consulting**: Joanna discusses her transition from working directly with young adults in wilderness therapy and higher education to consulting with families.
- **[08:00] The Importance of Transparency**: Why honesty and transparency are crucial in building trust with both young adults and their families.
- **[13:00] Challenges Facing Young Adults**: Joanna shares the trends she’s observed in mental health, substance use, and the impact of COVID-19 on young adults.
- **[18:00] Tailoring the Approach**: How Joanna customizes her consulting services to fit the unique needs of each young adult and family.
- **[24:00] The Role of Families in Recovery**: The importance of parental involvement and setting realistic expectations for success.
- **[30:00] Final Thoughts and Resources**: Joanna provides advice for families and shares how they can get in touch with her for support.

### Key Points Discussed:
1. **Personalized Consulting**: Joanna’s approach to understanding the full picture of each young adult’s situation before recommending resources or treatment options.
2. **Transparency in Consulting**: The importance of being honest and direct with both the young adult and their family to ensure effective outcomes.
3. **Trends in Young Adult Challenges**: The increasing prevalence of anxiety, OCD, body dysmorphia, and cannabis use among young adults, particularly in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
4. **Family Involvement**: How Joanna works with families to ensure they are aligned and supportive throughout the recovery or academic process.
5. **Cultural and Geographic Considerations**: The importance of considering a young adult’s background and preferences when matching them with programs.

### Guest Bio:
**Joanna Lilley**  
**Founder, Lilley Consulting**  
Joanna Lilley holds a Master’s degree in Counseling from West Virginia University and is a Nationally Certified Counselor. With over ten years of experience working with struggling adolescents and young adults in wilderness therapy and higher education, Joanna now operates Lilley Consulting, where she serves as an independent matchmaker between young adults and the resources they need to succeed. Her balanced approach, combining empathy with directness, has helped many families navigate complex challenges in mental health and addiction.

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Guiding Young Adults to Success: A Conversation with Joanna Lilley