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In this episode of Finding New Waters, we’re joined by Brook McKenzie, CEO of Burning Tree Programs. Brook shares how Burning Tree Ranch is helping individuals and families navigate late-stage addiction through a true long-term recovery model. < Back to Episodes Meeting People Where They Are: Lindsey Humphreys on Recovery Access & Innovation 30:36 min | Lindsey Humphreys | Finding New Waters In this inspiring episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with Lindsey Humphreys, founder of Illuminate North Carolina and Bob’s Way Recovery Center. Lindsey shares her journey from public service to recovery advocacy and talks about the powerful legacy of her grandfather, Bob Goodell—a pioneer in the local recovery community. She breaks down the work Illuminate NC is doing across harm reduction, sober companionship, and rural outreach through Bob’s Way, a new peer-run center providing low-barrier support in underserved Vance County. Subscribe "We don’t need people to be perfect. We need them to stay alive long enough to get better." – Lindsey Humphreys Show Notes In this inspiring episode of Finding New Waters, we sit down with Lindsey Humphreys, founder of Illuminate North Carolina and Bob’s Way Recovery Center. Lindsey shares her journey from public service to recovery advocacy and talks about the powerful legacy of her grandfather, Bob Goodell—a pioneer in the local recovery community. She breaks down the work Illuminate NC is doing across harm reduction, sober companionship, and rural outreach through Bob’s Way, a new peer-run center providing low-barrier support in underserved Vance County. From distributing life-saving naloxone throughout Wake County to eliminating childcare and scheduling barriers in IOP programs, Lindsey is shifting how recovery is accessed and experienced. If you're passionate about inclusive recovery, harm reduction, or family-led change—this one's for you. Timestamps: • [00:00] Introduction – Meet Lindsey and learn about her grandfather Bob’s legacy • [03:00] What Is Bob’s Way? – A peer-run center offering free recovery resources • [07:00] The Importance of Henderson County – Why rural access to recovery matters • [10:00] What is a Sober Companion? – Bridging high-stress transitions with live-in support • [14:00] Recovery Beyond the Individual – Serving families, single parents, and professionals • [18:00] Harm Reduction in Action – Naloxone distribution boxes across Wake County • [22:00] Childcare, Night IOPs, and Flexibility – Removing the real-life barriers to healing • [26:00] Building a Culture of Access – From Scranton roots to North Carolina reform • [30:00] How to Connect – Contact info, websites, and more • Key Points Discussed: 1. Low-Barrier Recovery Access – Creating programs that adapt to real life—not the other way around 2. 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Join us as we delve into the transformative world of psychedelics. In this captivating podcast, therapist Lesley Kellogg shares her profound insights on the power of psychedelic-assisted therapy. Discover how these substances open new pathways in the brain, facilitate healing experiences, and offer unique opportunities for personal growth. Learn about integration, therapeutic support, and the importance of individualized approaches. < Back to Episodes Exploring the Psychedelic Realm: A Deep Dive into Therapeutic Applications with Lesley Kellogg 41:28 min | Natasha Silver Bell | Finding New Waters Join us as we delve into the transformative world of psychedelics. In this captivating podcast, therapist Lesley Kellogg shares her profound insights on the power of psychedelic-assisted therapy. Discover how these substances open new pathways in the brain, facilitate healing experiences, and offer unique opportunities for personal growth. Learn about integration, therapeutic support, and the importance of individualized approaches. Subscribe "Psychedelics can be a powerful tool for working through trauma and allowing for profound healing and personal growth." - Lesley Kellogg Podcast Transcript #016 Leslie Kellog Lesley Kellogg: [00:00:00] So psychedelic assisted psychotherapy would be having a substance in during a therapy session. So it could be M D M A, it could be psilocybin. But having that substance during the session and then seeing what unfolds during it, it includes a lot of specialized training because everything is intensified. Lesley Kellogg: So if you have a trauma focused session, you're un unearthing a lot of very intense memories that you could be having flashbacks sitting there with a client. During those things. You add a substance that's psychoactive on top of it, it's going to intensify the situation. So knowing how to respond when those moments come up.[00:01:00] Graham Doerge: Good afternoon. My name is Graham Durge, and I'm the founder and CEO of New Waters Recovery in Raleigh, North Carolina. Welcome to our weekly podcast, finding New Waters. Our goal in creating Finding New Waters is to provide a resource for families to help navigate the complexities of supporting a loved ones struggling with substance use or mental health. Graham Doerge: When we find ourselves in crisis due to one of these issues, most people have no idea where to turn. We hope to shed some light on what is often the darkest hour for many families. I am joined today by our medical director, Dr. Harold Hong and Leslie Kellogg, who is the founder of Prism Wellness in Carey, North Carolina. Graham Doerge: Leslie opened Prism Wellness in 2020 with the goal of creating a group practice that provides a space for people to better understand the strengths they already embody that can help support them in the more challenging parts of life. Leslie's also an advocate for the continued research into psychedelic assisted psychotherapy and has completed the M D M A assisted [00:02:00] psychotherapy training conducted by the multiple multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic studies. Graham Doerge: Leslie's excited at the possibility of incorporating M D M A assisted psychotherapy into a practice upon hopeful f D a approval. Leslie, thank you for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Of course. And we're super excited because obviously this is a kind of a hot button topic right now, right? Graham Doerge: And you're hearing a lot about this, just everywhere in the world right now, obviously MAPS is leading the charge with, all the. A lot of the research so to say. But I would love to get a little bit of an explanation from you on exactly what is psychedelic assisted therapy. Lesley Kellogg: Sure. Yeah. And so grateful for maps. I'm not affiliated with maps but so grateful for them and Rick Doblin and all the work that they've done. So psychedelic assisted psychotherapy would be having a substance. In during a therapy session. So it could be M D M A, it could be psilocybin. But having that substance during [00:03:00] the session and then seeing what unfolds during it, it includes a lot of specialized training because everything is intensified. Lesley Kellogg: So if you have a trauma focused session, You're un unearthing a lot of very intense memories that you could be having flashbacks sitting there with a client during those things. You add a substance that's psychoactive on top of it, it's going to intensify the situation. So knowing how to respond when those moments come up. Graham Doerge: Love that. Yeah. Yeah. And I know just, obviously I've had, psychedelic experiences in my life. Just understanding the kind of, one of the, one of the core pieces is the set and setting. And and obviously just being prepared in the right way and having the right intentions going into a practice like this are so important. Graham Doerge: But can you talk about a little bit about like the preparation? Sure. That goes into all this. Lesley Kellogg: Sure. So set and setting is so important when it comes to psychedelic use period, let alone if it's psychedelic assisted therapy. But when we think of set, we [00:04:00] think of your mindset. What are you coming into this experience with? Lesley Kellogg: What is your expectation? What is going to happen if your expectation is it met? How do you plan on handling that? Yeah. So set can be worked on prior to, and should be worked on prior to the experience. That could be done by yourself through journaling, but it would be lovely to be doing it with a professional or somebody that just has experience with psychedelics as well. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Like you said, when you have an experience with psychedelics, it makes you shift your expectations a little bit and learn some of that flexibility. So sitting down with somebody who has had experiences is. Really valuable. Yeah. Because that's gonna affect the way that you experience what happens. Lesley Kellogg: A lot of people go into an experience and they think they know what they're gonna work on. Yeah. They've worked on their intentions And then something else comes up. And knowing what to do in those situations is really important. Knowing what support you have in those situations is really important. Lesley Kellogg: Then we have setting, which is your physical space. So are you in a space that's [00:05:00] comfortable? Are you in a space that's clean? If you have to go to the restroom, how far is it? Do you have to go down a scary hallway? Yep. Yep. Is there music playing? Yeah. Yeah. What type of music. Yep. Lesley Kellogg: Do you have comfortable pillows, some somewhere to lay down, or are you supposed to be sitting up? Are you outside? All these things could be great, outside, could be great, or it could be really challenging depending on what else is going on. So making sure you're able to work through that ahead of time and, things happen and being able to be flexible, but a lot of what people refer to as bad trips can be avoided through working through set and setting ahead of time. Lesley Kellogg: And having somebody trusted that you can utilize. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. So as we're getting this, I just realized I've had so many wonderful. Catch up times with you over the last year of getting to know you in the therapy community. Yeah. But I've actually never heard your story about what got you interested in psychedelics. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. And I think that'd be like, just real interesting to Lesley Kellogg: hear. Sure. Yeah. Let me think [00:06:00] about that. Re rewind the tapes. I think when it comes to psychedelics, my first experience in the therapeutic world was I got an invitation in the mail when I was provisionally licensed for. Ketamine treatment center that was opening up. Lesley Kellogg: And this was probably seven years ago or so. And I went and was so excited and I remember leaving because, oh, I stayed to the end Uhhuh. I didn't leave in the middle of it, but it was all catered toward providers, med providers. And there was no talk about. Therapy. Huh. And so I left feeling really dissatisfied with that. Lesley Kellogg: And then I looked a little bit deeper on my own time and stumbled upon maps and had some friends that did more of like the festival thing. It wasn't my, it wasn't my jam, but I would've loved to have go, gone to a festival just to provide care. Because I knew that people would be using substances and being a therapist. That's, I love that. I love to be there for people who just need a need. Somebody that they can rela, rely on for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. [00:07:00] So did my own work Found through maps I found a few different organizations that I could learn from, and then I The world just opened up and I started my own psychedelic work. Lesley Kellogg: And it helped me grow tremendously as a practitioner. It helped my friendships, my marriage, my relationships with family members. And I remember thinking about clients throughout my experiences. How it could be really helpful for people who just get stuck. Our brain has a lot of powerful ways to protect us, and when we go through traumas, Our brain protects us in a way. Lesley Kellogg: To try to help us not go back to that trauma. But what happens is the trauma comes back. The trauma comes back. It affects our relationships. Yeah. So I learned in my work how I. For some reason, when I was on when I was experiencing those psychedelics, I was able to look at things very differently than I was when I wasn't in that non-ordinary state. Lesley Kellogg: So that propelled me and through maps, being able to go through that training [00:08:00] Yeah. Which was a hundred hours. Wow. And extremely intense. Everybody that I've ever talked to that's done it Uhhuh agrees that it's the most intense thing that you could do as a therapist, because that's awesome. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. It's, you spend hours just talking about transference and countertransference. You spend hours talking about ruptures in the therapeutic setting and how to repair those touch how that can be used therapeutically. Yeah. So many things that could be helpful in the therapeutic setting, but then when you intensify it, you've realize how much power it has. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. So after pursuing that training, I just it. It lit a fire under me to keep learning because it's a whole new environment that is being created. It's a whole new protocol that's being created. Yeah. A whole new ethics board that's being created. So there's no shortage of resources for me to dive into. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: So it was super interesting. It's out there, but it's not, Used in maybe its fullest extent and there's, it's a exciting red hot area of science. Yeah, Lesley Kellogg: [00:09:00] definitely. Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: And many people joining the podcast probably don't know about maps or are very skeptical Yeah. As they're entering into this conversation. Dr. Harold Hong: So can you tell us a little bit about MAPS and the work that they're doing? Sure. Yeah. Lesley Kellogg: So MAPS was founded in 1986 by Rick Doblin, and his goal was to figure out how to bring the government in because we know that these well. I say we, they, I wasn't born. They knew that these substances weren't bad. Lesley Kellogg: These substances did have therapeutic value. These substances were not like the propaganda made us believe that is it gonna melt your brain and it's gonna make everybody jump off of the roof, right? Yep. Reefer badness. Graham Doerge: Exactly. Lesley Kellogg: Exactly. Yeah. There was so much that was just circulated to, to make people afraid of L S D or M D M A cannabis psilocybin and all of them. Lesley Kellogg: And so he founded it to try to bring a awareness and b, look at the therapeutic value that had already been proven through the underground [00:10:00] work and work that had been done before it was rescheduled. Yeah. 1986. Fast forward. Now Maps has done schedule. It's not rescheduled. There's no rescheduling, but MAPS has done up to phase three studies of M D M A and they're showing insane benefits, right? Lesley Kellogg: So 67% of the participants after the phase two study. No longer met that criteria for ptsd. Wow. And that was two months after the study ended. And then there's follow up studies as well. But when you look at the millions of people that have PTs D in the United States and the world and then you look at a statistic like 67% of people no longer meet criteria. That's wild, right? Yeah. That's so powerful, Graham Doerge: right? Look at all the vets and soldiers that we have coming back Yes. Who are just, these guys unfortunately are killing themselves at, just an incredible rate. Graham Doerge: And it's just, it's. It's hard to see, these studies and look at this research and be like, gosh, why aren't we doing more about this? [00:11:00] Or why isn't this more available to more people? And I think we're getting there. We're close. And hopefully as you we said in the bio I think probably by next year, M D M A will be FDA Lesley Kellogg: approved, correct? Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Fda, so FDA gave M dma the fast track to approval. Breakthrough status. Yep. It's not really fast and it shouldn't be fast, to be honest, because it is important to, to learn all these new protocols that need to be put into place. Because like you said, vets are going outside of the country for care. Lesley Kellogg: Even when. This country is potentially why they have developed ptsd. We aren't able to provide the care that we need and we are losing so many vets. So hopefully with the FDA coming along and hopefully approving M D M A, we'll be able to provide care maybe end of this year or next year. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. But then each state is gonna have their own say in that as well, right? Yeah. And it potentially could be FDA approved and not rescheduled. So then we'll have to look at that [00:12:00] with, it could be FDA approved and you could prescribe it. But the feds can come in at any moment and. Yeah. Shut you down because you're using an illegal substance. Lesley Kellogg: Got Dr. Harold Hong: it. Because the dea, drug Enforcement Agency, they set the schedule, correct? And FDA approves it for clinical use. Yeah. So FDA approved oxycodone for clinical use. And the DEA made it schedule two. Yep. Exactly. And so the DA might actually make it schedule one, meaning there's no clinical benefit and they might. Dr. Harold Hong: Put a lot of lockdown on that. So it could be challenging. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. So schedule one. Yeah. No clinical benefit, no therapeutic value, but that's where most of them lie. Ketamine doesn't lie there. But yes, M Dmma, psilocybin Schedule one. Dmt. Dmt, exactly. Yeah. Which you have research that shows Yeah. Lesley Kellogg: The complete opposite, right? Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. But, yeah. So if someone comes along and say, you're just. You're just hooking people up on drugs. Yeah. Like you're just making [00:13:00] more addicts. Yeah. Like I think there's a lot of people who think that, and, they're going along with. Dr. Harold Hong: All of the negative connotations of psychedelics. And so if someone brings that up to you and says, how can you be involved with this? Sure. How do you, how do Lesley Kellogg: you talk about that? I would talk about it for a long time. I would've a lot to say, start bringing Graham Doerge: out lots of statistics. Graham Doerge: Yeah, exactly. Lots Lesley Kellogg: of research studies we'll be on. Hold on. Little whiteboard. Yeah. So M D M A can have addictive properties. Huh. But psilocybin does not DMT does not the way that it's prescribed too will affect that. And when you're doing. Psychotherapy with it. It's very different than using a substance and going to a club. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. The intensity of the work that comes and unfolds because of what it does in your brain to allow you to affect, to tap into some of those traumatic moments it's not as likely to produce a, an addictive effect because of what we said about set and setting. Yeah. You're not going into this. I can't wait to. Lesley Kellogg: [00:14:00] Dance all night, right? You're going into this with what can I learn from this really traumatic event, right? And how can I apply that to change my life, right? It's very different. Yeah. Graham Doerge: Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. And I think that, talking about the trauma and all that is that, what we're seeing is obviously trauma gets stored in the body. Graham Doerge: And it's making us sicker and sicker. And we're so good at just pushing that down and, I'm gonna charge forward and I'm never gonna really look at this and, give it the time that it needs. And it's such an amazing tool to just. It takes down all those barriers, right? Graham Doerge: And it makes you look at all of those things face to face. Yeah. For the for probably, a lot of us, I think are probably not even really able to look at those things, or so it's it's an incredible tool to, work on the traumatic Lesley Kellogg: piece. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. M D M A will reduce the activity in your amygdala. Yeah. So when we have trauma, the amygdala is there to help us, right? The amygdala is there to help us. Stay safe. Yeah. But then we have M D M A that reduces that and then you're allowed to look at things a little bit differently. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. You're able to [00:15:00] look at them and stay your feet here, you know where you are. Versus look at them and all of a sudden you're zapped back to whatever that experience was for you. So it's very powerful and you're able to look at it with some empathy for yourself. Because m DM A is an empathogen, it helps connect you to yourself and other people. So having that, you're able to look at it without or with some distance from maybe some of that shame or some of that hate that you had for yourself for even having that experience. So it's, there's so many tears to M D M A and why it's effective for trauma. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. I talk about this in some ways. Similarly when it comes to Suboxone treatment. Like medication-assisted treatment for opiate use disorder. So a, like a really common refrain for people doing opiate use disorder that are coming to new waters is, I, yes. I use like massive amounts of fentanyl and I'm just done with opiates. Dr. Harold Hong: I'm just done. I don't want to be on Suboxone. I don't want any m a t I just want to be sober. And [00:16:00] the thinking is Suboxone just trading one. And one drug for another. It gets I'm not actually making progress in my recovery when I do that and this that talk makes a lot of sense, like when you just hear it as it is. Dr. Harold Hong: But then you look at what happens to people who go cold Turkey without good support and over 90% will probably relapse within the first year. And. So then I talked about it depends on how you're using Suboxone, right? Because some people, they are misusing it recreationally or just self dosing without like proper medical supervision and without proper support. Dr. Harold Hong: And yeah, like it does look like drug abuse for that perspective, especially if they mix it with alcohol or a benzo. But I tell them, Hey, you can use Suboxone to disconnect from reality the same way you would use fentanyl to disconnect from reality. Or you can use Suboxone to get rid of your withdrawal symptoms. Dr. Harold Hong: Get rid of your cravings, and get your feet on the [00:17:00] ground, go to your appointments, cook dinner for your kids, go to work. So one way, using Suboxone, you're actually more plugged into reality. Another way you're disconnecting from reality. And that's the real difference between using it for addiction or using it for your recovery. Dr. Harold Hong: Like what's bringing you closer to reality, so I think there's some parallels there. Oh, definitely. With how you can use psychedelics to escape reality, or you could use it to actually experience it more intensely. I. And or and more realistically and get your recovery on Lesley Kellogg: track. Oh, definitely. Lesley Kellogg: And I would even ask that person whose voice is that? Yeah. Who's saying it's you're trading one for another? Is that your voice? Is that somebody else's? Is that society Right? And does that really fit what your intention is going into this? Because a lot of times it's not, it's the fear that you're trading one for another. Lesley Kellogg: But if you're able to cook dinner and be there for your [00:18:00] kids and go to work then is that really a one for one trade? Dr. Harold Hong: It's not totally different. Graham Doerge: Yeah. And I think it's the therapeutic component, right? Yes. And that for sure is where it all boils down to, in my opinion, is that, if we're, just. Graham Doerge: Dosing these clients and they're not, there's no therapeutic component to M A t, which is medicated assisted therapy. Then you know you're missing the target. And I think the same thing with the psychedelics. Yeah. You've gotta have a facilitator in that experience. Graham Doerge: You've gotta have somebody walking you through that process and yeah it's essential. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Thanks for bringing it back because I should have mentioned that when we talked about maps Yeah. Because they're approving it as the whole therapy. So it's the medication assisted psychotherapy. Lesley Kellogg: Which is very different than if we would talk about another medication like ketamine or s bravado where it was approved as a medication. And while cap Ketamine assisted psychotherapy is gonna improve the effectiveness, it. Is not how it's necessarily always marketed. So with M dm, a, it's the whole package. Lesley Kellogg: It's [00:19:00] working together in preparatory stages, having your dosing, then having your integration. And maybe we should get into integration because that's yeah. Better integration Graham Doerge: sounds how important that Lesley Kellogg: is. Yeah. Yeah. So integration is taking, what insights were gained during your experience and implementing them into your life. Lesley Kellogg: You have a profound experience. You have all this insight. You wanna call your mom and tell her you love her. You have some forgiveness for yourself, but then you leave and then you go about life the same way that you did before the experience. And that's very hard. But you also have psychedelics also open up the neuroplasticity which you may be able to speak on more than I do. Lesley Kellogg: Which means that you can really open up more neural pathways and change the way that your brain sees its patterns. Yes. Change the way that you interact. Change the way that you interact with yourself, right? So when we have the therapeutic component involved, you're able to really touch base on the. Lesley Kellogg: [00:20:00] Implementation of, I didn't just go do this experience and I felt really good and that was great. I did this experience, learned these things, and now my life is changing and I'm changing my life in these ways. And people around you will see it. A lot of times people would leave and this is anecdotal. Lesley Kellogg: I did not experience this. But we were told that clients would leave and then people in their life would say what's changed? Something's really different about you. You're coming to these dinners, or you're answering your phone, right? Or you're able to go here. What did you do? Yeah. And just, or Graham Doerge: the light is back in your eye. Graham Doerge: Exactly. Yeah. You look younger or, it's, yeah, exactly. It takes that kind of stress, I feel like. Yeah. Way in a lot Lesley Kellogg: of ways. Yeah. People like, you hold your head up a little bit higher. Yeah. You're not afraid of things as many times. So the integration part is something that. Lesley Kellogg: One of my fears for when everything hopefully does get approved that people will slack off on. Because a lot of times it's the substance that gets people into the door, but it's the work before and after that's really gonna improve the longevity [00:21:00] of what that experience was. So the integration piece is as important, if not more important than the medicine session itself. Graham Doerge: Yeah. Yeah. And I guess is there Is there a particular, timeframe that people are looking, is it doing this every six months or once a year, or is there any sort of protocol around that, or no, Lesley Kellogg: there may be has. Lesley Kellogg: I'm sure they'll develop one. So the M D M A protocol was you had three 90 minute prep sessions, and then one eight hour M D M A session. Okay. And then the follow up. Prep integration sessions, and then the next medicine session was three to five weeks later. Got it. And it was a three protocol, so three dosing sessions. Lesley Kellogg: Got it. But once it's approved, not everybody has to do three. Some people may wanna do five. So it's gonna be this. Every document that's being published now for psychedelics is like a living, breathing document. Because it depends on the substance, it depends on the person, it depends on what their [00:22:00] goals are. Lesley Kellogg: I don't I think it'll always be a very flexible individualized protocol. Yeah, Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. So it's bravado, right? It's out there. It's a medication. It's most frequently used simply as a medication, right? So most of clinics I'm seeing you go in, You sit in chair, you get your dose, and you're observed for one to two hours. Dr. Harold Hong: And that's the end of that day. And then you come back, you do it several times a week for several weeks. How is it, how is that? Compared to Ketamine assisted psychotherapy? Lesley Kellogg: Yeah, that's a good question. So with Cap, you would have way more intense preparation. So what music do you wanna listen to during your session? Lesley Kellogg: It's always advised that it's, no words more just melodic. It could be very soothing or it could be intense depending on the intensity of the things that you wanna work through. Yeah. Are you gonna bring an eyeshade. If one isn't provided for you. Sometimes having little hard [00:23:00] candies if you get a nasty taste in your mouth, to just utilize if necessary. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. Cuz a lot of people are it tastes very unpleasant. Lesley Kellogg: Yes, it does. Uhhuh and some places do a good job of prepping their clients for that, and some places don't acknowledge it. So just. Going through that, right? Doing all the prep. What's your intention? Lesley Kellogg: What are we gonna do if you start to feel really unsettled during your session? Maybe going through some breath work. Going through therapeutic touch. If you need somebody's hand to hold, this is where I'll hold your hand when you're ready to let go. This is what we're gonna do. Yep. Lesley Kellogg: If you need to go to the restroom, this is where I'll touch your back. This is where I'll touch your hand if you need it. Going through tons and tons of consent. Yeah. Then we have the actual medicine session. And it's a very nondirective approach. So the therapist is not in the room talking to you the whole time. Lesley Kellogg: It's very inner directed. We talk about it inner healing intelligence. So you, your body naturally wants to heal you. Your brain naturally wants to heal you. The therapist isn't there. [00:24:00] Using IFS or EMDR or cbt, like you're just there as a supportive person. Yep. That's there to coach. Just your overall wellness if necessary. Lesley Kellogg: Gotcha. But then if you say something really intriguing, the therapist might write it down. Got it. So the therapist can be taking notes. So if you say something powerful, we can use that later in the integration stages. With, you brought this up. Do you remember what was going on? Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. How are you gonna apply that? To your life now? So then after the closure of the medicine session, then meeting for your integration sessions afterward. And what came up for you? What's different, if anything? Yeah. If it's not different, how are we gonna work on that? Lesley Kellogg: Especially having people going in with suicidal ideation and wanting to work through that. If you still have it at the end and you don't have somebody to talk to about that is so shattering. So having a professional that you can talk to, having support already laid out. So you're more likely to feel, your, [00:25:00] feel what you can do next, versus just feeling hopeless because this was the thing that was supposed to help me. Lesley Kellogg: Wow. I went out of my brain to do this. Yeah. And I still feel I. Crap. So having a therapeutic support for that. Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: So would that be all those integration sessions after one medication session? Lesley Kellogg: Or like several? It depends. Okay. It's I, ideally, yes. So you would have your prep session and then your medicine session, and then your integration session or more. Lesley Kellogg: Some people then wanna go back, Pretty quickly and do a next session. Some people don't uhhuh. It really just depends. But having an integration session or at least some sort of protocol to do after your medicine sessions would would always be advised. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. And have you worked with clients that have experienced both, like conventional medicine only versus academy assisted psychotherapy? Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. And what kinds of stories are they telling about the difference? Lesley Kellogg: When we talk about convention conventional medicine, do you mean SSRIs Dr. Harold Hong: [00:26:00] or, oh, just SPR bravado. You went to a clinic, they gave you your dose and they Yeah. They checked you out a couple hours later. Lesley Kellogg: Got you. Yes. So I had a client who had a pretty negative experience because it was, there was a lot of different things that in interacted. Where the set was not talked about. The person in the room was not the person in the room that would've been, she knew this person. And so then she was afraid of what I'm gonna say. Lesley Kellogg: Because I know this person. What if the thoughts I'm having, I'm saying out loud because you don't know if sometimes uhhuh what is my thought and what am I actually verbalizing? So that is what tripped me up to. Reach out to the provider and say, can I, how would you feel if I came in, this is where I'm coming from. Lesley Kellogg: This is my experience. And the provider open welcomed me with open arms, which is fantastic. Yeah. But then after that, the experience was a lot more calming it. She knew that if she said something ev I told her, even if you say I cannot stand Leslie, she is the worst therapist ever. That's totally okay. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. And I'm not, when she opens her eyes, [00:27:00] I'm not gonna say, so let's talk about this. That's right. Like I'm really happy that you felt honest that's okay. Yeah. So having a space to where you could just be completely yourself and then working on it afterwards with a therapist that knows. Lesley Kellogg: More about the experience and from what I've heard has been really helpful. Versus just relying on yourself and then telling the doctor, yes, it was good, or No, I think I need more, or I don't ever wanna do this again. What did you do to me? Dr. Harold Hong: Right. Huge difference. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah, Graham Doerge: definitely huge. Graham Doerge: Is there anybody that absolutely should not do this? Lesley Kellogg: That's a good question. I think with people who have a history of maybe like intense history of dissociation, I. But I say that with also stating that there are therapists that will specialize in working with people with dissociation through psychedelics. Lesley Kellogg: So it depends on the medical team that you have, and it should always be some sort of team if possible. Yeah. So it's not [00:28:00] just a therapist, like there is a provider, a doctor that, or a. PA or whatever. That knows the medical side. That can work on work with you too. Graham Doerge: Right? Graham Doerge: Take taking vitals throughout. Lesley Kellogg: Exactly. Throughout. Yeah. Because there's practitioners that specialize in working with people with autism, with psychedelics. There's practitioners that will specialize in working with people with bipolar disorder, with psychedelics. Where you have that potential for mania. Lesley Kellogg: So making sure that you have a practitioner that knows. As much as they can before you make that decision. Yeah. Is important. Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: So like in the absence of a special like care plan for people who are complicated most practices will say, relative contraindications are history of psychosis, history of mania. Dr. Harold Hong: History of like very high or uncontrolled hypertension. Because ketamine can cause your blood pressure to rise dramatically. Graham Doerge: Gotcha. Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: And also substance use. So like people who are actively abusing substances a ketamine would not be considered like the right time to do the treatment. Dr. Harold Hong: Got it. And Graham Doerge: what about clients that are on any other medica, [00:29:00] are on SSRIs and things of that nature. Is that conflicting in any Dr. Harold Hong: way or? No? You can be on an antidepressant and on ketamine, but most people are on, are doing ketamine treatment because they don't respond to SSRIs. Dr. Harold Hong: And there's some new clinical research coming out showing that. In this study population, ketamine treatment was equivalent to E C T. Wow. E c t is considered like the most effective, the most rapid resolution of severe depression. But it's a very, a taxing procedure to undergo, right? Dr. Harold Hong: You have to be seen by an anesthesiologist and a psychiatrist at the same time. You have to basically take the whole day off from work because you have to be driven to the clinic and cuz of the anesthesia, you really can't drive yourself home. And this is three times a week for two to three weeks for an index course. Dr. Harold Hong: And it, that's you're take talking about taking like a month off of work basically. Wow. For a lot of people. Yeah. That's incredible. So the idea that ketamine is [00:30:00] equivalent to e C t is a game changer for treatment refractory depression. Yeah, Graham Doerge: absolutely. Yeah. Any other Dr. Harold Hong: questions, doc? Oh, like so many, right? Dr. Harold Hong: Keep going. Yeah. Let's see. Okay, so have you ever, what are some things that patients should really think about before like this? What are some things that a patient would reflect on and say, yeah, this could be. The right fit Lesley Kellogg: for me. I think openness, number one. Lesley Kellogg: Flexibility is important because if, when people go in with rigidity and knowing what to expect, yeah. That can backfire a lot. And so we ask people to go in with a beginner's mind. Where you're open to whatever unfolds and you also know that you have support for whatever unfolds. Lesley Kellogg: People who I think. Have had psychedelic experience can be helpful, but it's not necessary. In many of the studies, they actually had a high number of people that were coming from a Catholic [00:31:00] background where they did not have a, the flexibility and. Catholicism and flexibility don't really mesh that well. Lesley Kellogg: And nor does psychedelic use, right? But they actually had really incredible experiences and labeled them as some of the most spiritual experiences that they've ever had, right? So being able to be flexible and to be able to go with the flow. Now saying that to somebody with a history of trauma, can, they might say I'm not flexible. Lesley Kellogg: I can't be flexible. If I'm flexible, I might get hurt. So working on that ahead of time too. Yeah. But I think just people who are open to it. And trust your gut. The more you learn, the more you think it's not for you. Go with that. Yeah. I think with it being everywhere now where there's books, there's podcasts, there's, there's Netflix, right? Lesley Kellogg: There's so many things on psychedelics where it's almost being shown as a silver bullet. And so people think this is what I should do. And it's not right. It will be effective for some people. It will be ineffective for some people. So going [00:32:00] into it thinking. It through for you, not this is what I should do because this is what I see everywhere. Lesley Kellogg: Or because there's a catchy headline. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. Graham Doerge: And I would also think too that, that everybody has gotta be very careful about where they're doing this. If they're going out of the country to do this, be very cautious. Definitely about where you're going. Right? Graham Doerge: Because I think that there are a lot of people that are, taking advantage of the fact that this is such a hot topic right now and maybe aren't, don't have the right the right people in involved or the right support in involved to to run one of these places. So right. Graham Doerge: Yeah, doing your due diligence is essential for Lesley Kellogg: sure. And it's even hard to, for people who don't really know what even, what questions to even ask. Absolutely. Graham Doerge: What would you tell Yeah. People, what kind of questions Lesley Kellogg: I would ask? If you're going outside of the country, what type of support, what are my accommodations gonna be like? Lesley Kellogg: Am I going to be by myself? Is somebody gonna be with me the whole time? Is there gonna be a camera in the room? What's my dose gonna be? How often do I talk to a provider? A medical [00:33:00] provider. How many sessions do I have before or after? What do I do if I get there and I don't wanna do it? Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Is that gonna be something that's accepted and discussed? Or is this something where you're here and I'm gonna be talking you into it? I think when it comes to. Underground work too. That's very popular And I think a lot of underground work is great. And then there's a lot of underground work that is abusive and explain underground work. Lesley Kellogg: Sure. Yeah. Thank you. So underground work would be, I. Practitioners, they could be licensed or they could not be necessarily licensed, but they're facilitating sessions with medicine from homes or from Airbnbs or from hotels. And it sounds pretty sketchy and it can be pretty sketchy. But it also can be really powerful. Lesley Kellogg: And how do you know the difference? So I would always ask people, I would, if I was trying to find a place to go for myself, I would ask who is the facilitator? Am I able to speak to the facilitator? Yep. What other people are gonna be there as [00:34:00] support? Are these people going to be also under the influence of the medicine? Lesley Kellogg: And I'm not saying that if the answer is yes, that's wrong, but it's good to know. Yeah. What is a normal session like? Yep. Has anything bad ever happened? What do you guys do when something like that happens? Yeah. If I pass out, what's gonna happen? There's so many different ways that something can go wrong, but with adequate preparation, you're really helping yourself to figure out what's gonna happen next. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah. Can I bring somebody? Yeah. Can I talk to somebody who has gone through your protocol just to see what their experience was like? Graham Doerge: Think that's a huge one right there. Yeah. And we do that with a lot of alumni families and whatnot. Is listen, we'll we're happy to set you up with a couple alumni parents who've, been through our program, experienced what we do, and they can tell you what their experience was like. Yeah. And think something like that would be huge definitely to an experience like this. You, I would want to know somebody who went there and had gone through this before. I think, yeah, exactly. But also what's the facilitator's background, right? Graham Doerge: Yes. How long have they been doing this? Why [00:35:00] are they doing this? Yes. Lesley Kellogg: Yes. Yeah. So especially if, I'm always weary of if people, especially in western culture, that refer to themselves as a shaman. And I'm not saying that there aren't some, but just to be aware of that. Lesley Kellogg: What is, are they approachable? Did they think that they know everything? Because that's always a red flag for me. Yeah. Even through all of my training and learning from people who have been in. Been experiencing psychedelics and been studying psychedelics for longer than I've been alive. Lesley Kellogg: They'll always say that they don't know everything. Oh, yeah. And that they're always learning. Yeah. And they can learn from anybody regardless of where they are in their career. Yeah. And that's what I look to, right? Not the person who's all knowing and can feel everything and sense everything. Lesley Kellogg: It's the people that are just, I'm just a guy, or I'm just a girl and this is my calling and if I need help. I'll ask. That's always really powerful to hear. Dr. Harold Hong: Yeah. Graham Doerge: Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's it's obviously a great topic and more will be exposed here over the coming years. Graham Doerge: Yes. And [00:36:00] it'll really be interesting to see how the politics play into all this and how big pharma plays into all of this. But I think all in all, going back to the therapeutic component, is just, if we lose that or if that somehow doesn't become the priority, then. Graham Doerge: I think that they're this isn't gonna be as effective as it could be. Definitely. And we've gotta hold onto to that. But thank you for coming in and speaking with us today. This was so fun. Thank you. And yeah. Yeah. Where can everybody find you? First in, first Lesley Kellogg: off? Yeah. So through my practice website is www dot prism, not prison Prism. Lesley Kellogg: Wellness nc.com and my contact information is on the website. Perfect. And we'll Graham Doerge: have everything listed out too in our show notes. And you can find us at finding new waters.com. And this will be streaming on all streaming platforms. And we will see y'all next week. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Graham Doerge: Thanks for having me. Me, Leslie. Lesley Kellogg: Yeah.[00:37:00] Show Notes In this enlightening episode of Finding New Waters Podcast we welcome guest speaker Lesley Kellogg, a seasoned psychotherapist with profound expertise in psychedelic-assisted therapies. We delve into the fascinating world of psychedelics, their therapeutic potential, and how they are transforming modern psychotherapy. Our discussion begins with a detailed exploration of the healing potential of psychedelic substances such as psilocybin and ketamine, focusing on their ability to provide relief to individuals suffering from conditions like PTSD, depression, and addiction. We then tackle the prerequisites and considerations for individuals seeking psychedelic-assisted therapy, stressing the importance of thorough preparation, the right mindset, and a supportive therapeutic environment. We also discuss the potential risks associated with psychedelics and the importance of exercising due diligence when seeking treatment, particularly outside of a regulated setting. Lastly, we contemplate the future of psychedelic-assisted therapy, considering potential obstacles such as political factors and the influence of big pharma.Join us for this intriguing exploration of the expanding frontier of psychedelic therapy, and discover how this revolution could potentially reshape mental health treatment. 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In this powerful episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with Laurie Dhue, a Certified Recovery Specialist and one of the nation’s leading recovery advocates. Laurie opens up about her journey from a successful career as a national news anchor to finding her purpose in long-term recovery from alcoholism and drug addiction. < Back to Episodes Holistic Wellness: Utilizing the eight dimensions of wellness to build a fulfilling life in recovery 48:39 min | Stephanie Hazard | Finding New Waters In this inspiring episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with Stephanie Hazard, a recovery coach specializing in substance use and eating disorders. Stephanie reflects on her personal recovery journey, including celebrating 25 years of sobriety, and shares her professional insights into recovery coaching as a bridge to long-term wellness. She discusses the intricate process of recovering from eating disorders, the importance of addressing trauma, and how integrating the eight dimensions of wellness can help individuals achieve sustainable recovery. Stephanie's expertise offers valuable guidance for anyone navigating the complexities of dual diagnoses or seeking a holistic approach to healing. Subscribe “Recovery is about coming into a relationship with yourself, not just managing symptoms.” – -Stephanie Hazard Show Notes In this inspiring episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with Stephanie Hazard, a recovery coach specializing in substance use and eating disorders. Stephanie reflects on her personal recovery journey, including celebrating 25 years of sobriety, and shares her professional insights into recovery coaching as a bridge to long-term wellness. She discusses the intricate process of recovering from eating disorders, the importance of addressing trauma, and how integrating the eight dimensions of wellness can help individuals achieve sustainable recovery. Stephanie's expertise offers valuable guidance for anyone navigating the complexities of dual diagnoses or seeking a holistic approach to healing. --- ### Timestamps: - **[00:00] Introduction**: Welcome and introduction to Stephanie Hazard. - **[01:00] Celebrating Sobriety**: Stephanie shares her personal journey of 25 years of sobriety. - **[04:00] The Role of a Recovery Coach**: How Stephanie supports clients in building recovery capital and wellness. - **[08:00] Eating Disorders and Recovery**: The unique challenges and strategies for overcoming eating disorders. - **[12:00] Addressing Trauma in Recovery**: Why trauma-informed care is essential for lasting healing. - **[18:00] Integrated Care Challenges**: Finding treatment centers that address co-occurring disorders effectively. - **[24:00] Tools for Wellness**: Practical strategies for emotional, physical, and spiritual health. - **[30:00] Family Involvement in Recovery**: Stephanie highlights the importance of family support and education. - **[36:00] How to Connect**: Stephanie shares her website and resources for finding recovery support. --- ### Key Points Discussed: 1. **Recovery Beyond Sobriety**: Stephanie’s approach focuses on helping clients achieve wellness in all areas of life, not just abstinence. 2. **Dual Diagnoses and Co-Occurring Disorders**: The importance of addressing both substance use and eating disorders simultaneously. 3. **Trauma-Informed Coaching**: Why understanding and addressing trauma is critical in the recovery process. 4. **Holistic Wellness**: Utilizing the eight dimensions of wellness to build a fulfilling life in recovery. 5. **Family Support**: Encouraging families to be active participants in their loved one’s recovery journey. --- ### Guest Bio: **Stephanie Hazard** **Certified Recovery Coach** Stephanie Hazard is a recovery coach specializing in substance use and eating disorders. 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This episode of Finding New Waters spotlights the transformative work of Youth Prevention Mentors (YPM), featuring insights from founder Maks Ezrin and US Operations Director Jack Vaughn. We dive into YPM's inception, motivated by personal triumphs over mental health and addiction, and how these experiences shaped their unique mentorship model. < Back to Episodes Steering Youth to Healthier Paths: A Conversation with Maks and Jack 41:30 min | Maks & Jacks | Finding New Waters This episode of Finding New Waters spotlights the transformative work of Youth Prevention Mentors (YPM), featuring insights from founder Maks Ezrin and US Operations Director Jack Vaughn. We dive into YPM's inception, motivated by personal triumphs over mental health and addiction, and how these experiences shaped their unique mentorship model. Subscribe Show Notes In this edition of Finding New Waters, we delve into the proactive work of Youth Prevention Mentors (YPM), highlighting their mission to intervene and guide young people before they descend into crisis. Through a detailed conversation with YPM's founder, Maks Ezrin, and Jack Vaughn, Director of US Operations, we explore the origins of YPM, inspired by personal journeys of overcoming mental health and substance use issues. The dialogue illuminates YPM's approach to offering non-traditional, in-home mentorship focusing on behavioral and mental health challenges exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic. The podcast also addresses the importance of family involvement, the mentor matching process, and the unique executive functioning coaching program, EF 12, underscoring the organization's commitment to fostering self-regulation and resilience in the youth they serve. This episode offers profound insights into how targeted mentorship and personalized support can pivot young individuals away from potential futures of addiction and mental health struggles, towards thriving, balanced lives. 00:00 Introduction: The Need for Preventative Measures 01:02 Welcome to Finding New Waters: Meet the Guests 01:50 The Origin Story of Youth Prevention Mentors 02:06 The Journey to Sobriety and the Start of a New Career 06:18 The Lightbulb Moment: The Birth of YPM 07:11 The Impact of COVID-19 on Mental Health 07:58 The YPM Approach: Tailored Support for Young Adults 08:34 The Role of Mentors in YPM 08:57 Jack's Journey: From Struggle to Mentorship 12:08 The Importance of Mentor Match in YPM 13:06 The Age Range of YPM's Services 13:55 The YPM Approach: A Case Study 17:02 The Role of Family in the Recovery Process 23:32 The Executive Functioning Coaching Program 26:09 The Mentor Recruitment Process 32:49 The Importance of In-Home Environment 39:47 Conclusion: How to Reach YPM

In this episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with **Nate Faulkenberry**, owner and operator of **Doc’s Place**, a long-term recovery program for men in Brunswick, Georgia. Nate shares his powerful personal story of going from client to leader at Doc’s Place, and how the structure, accountability, and 12-step immersion of the program helped him—and now helps others—build lasting recovery. < Back to Episodes Why Long-Term Sobriety Requires Real Accountability with Nate Faulkenberry 29:36 min | Alexis Haines | Finding New Waters In this episode of *Finding New Waters*, we sit down with **Nate Faulkenberry**, owner and operator of **Doc’s Place**, a long-term recovery program for men in Brunswick, Georgia. Nate shares his powerful personal story of going from client to leader at Doc’s Place, and how the structure, accountability, and 12-step immersion of the program helped him—and now helps others—build lasting recovery. Subscribe "At Doc’s Place, we take everything away so you can finally focus on what matters—yourself." – Nate Faulkenberry Show Notes In this episode of Finding New Waters, we sit down with Nate Faulkenberry, owner and operator of Doc’s Place, a long-term recovery program for men in Brunswick, Georgia. Nate shares his powerful personal story of going from client to leader at Doc’s Place, and how the structure, accountability, and 12-step immersion of the program helped him—and now helps others—build lasting recovery. He discusses the importance of removing distractions, developing adult life skills, and how learning to live without the quick fixes (like drugs, alcohol, relationships, or prestige) is key to healing. Nate also speaks candidly about the hard work required, the beauty of building something from the ground up, and why Doc’s Place isn’t just a program—it’s a community for life. Timestamps: • [00:00] Welcome + Nate’s Background – From client to owner of Doc’s Place • [03:00] What Is Doc’s Place? – Long-term structure, accountability, and 12-step work • [06:00] The Power of Single-Gender Recovery – Eliminating distractions for deeper healing • [10:00] Nate’s Own Story – What made Doc’s Place different when everything else failed • [14:00] Surrender and Humility – Learning to finally take direction • [18:00] Daily Life at Doc’s Place – Meetings, work, chores, and responsibility • [24:00] Who Is Doc’s Place For? – Ideal candidates and what they can expect • [30:00] Terminal Uniqueness & Real Recovery – Breaking through the “I’m different” mentality • [32:00] Final Reflections – Nate on purpose, peace, and building something that lasts Key Points Discussed: 1. Long-Term Recovery Works – Doc’s Place is for men who’ve been to treatment before but need something deeper. 2. Accountability Changes Lives – Residents are required to work, pay their way, and grow up emotionally. 3. No Shortcuts – This program removes distractions like relationships so men can truly focus on themselves. 4. From the Inside Out – Nate shares how the hardest parts of the program were the most necessary. 5. It’s a Brotherhood – More than sober living, Doc’s Place offers lifelong community and support. Guest Bio: Nate Faulkenberry Owner/Operator, Doc’s Place Recovery Nate Faulkenberry is the owner and operator of Doc’s Place Recovery, a long-term men’s recovery program located in Brunswick, Georgia. After going through the program himself in 2016, Nate now dedicates his life to helping other men walk the same path toward structure, accountability, and lasting sobriety. 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Dive into the world of adventure-based recovery with Tim Walsh, founder of Adventure Recovery, in this episode of "Finding New Waters." Tim shares his unique approach to addiction recovery and mental health, using nature as a transformative tool. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about harnessing the healing power of the great outdoors. < Back to Episodes The Transformative Power of Adventure Recovery with Tim Walsh 01:09:08 min | Tim Walsh | Finding New Waters Dive into the world of adventure-based recovery with Tim Walsh, founder of Adventure Recovery, in this episode of "Finding New Waters." Tim shares his unique approach to addiction recovery and mental health, using nature as a transformative tool. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about harnessing the healing power of the great outdoors. Subscribe "We want you to go to the next level. And I tell people the best phone call I get is two years, three years, five years, ten years down the line when they say, 'Hey Tim, guess what? I'm going to run the Grand Canyon. You want to come?" - Tim Walsh Show Notes In this enlightening episode of "Finding New Waters," host Graham Doerge and Executive Director Justin McClendon delve deep into the world of adventure-based recovery with their esteemed guest, Tim Walsh. As the founder of Adventure Recovery, Tim shares his profound insights and personal journey in the realm of outdoor education and recovery coaching. Throughout the episode, listeners are taken on a journey through Tim's extensive experience in guiding individuals through both the external and internal wilderness. We learn about his 25-year career in youth development, addiction recovery, and prevention fields, highlighting his pioneering work in adventure-based counseling. Tim discusses his role in developing experiential education, adventure therapy, and substance misuse awareness programs for various institutions, including his foundational involvement in Mountainside Treatment Center and Newport Academy. Tim's personal story is deeply moving, detailing his own recovery journey and how experiences in nature played a pivotal role. He emphasizes the therapeutic power of nature and how it helps in healing mental illness and substance use disorders. His approach is unique, focusing on creating tailored, healing experiences that resonate with individuals of all ages. Listeners will discover the innovative methodologies of Adventure Recovery, including the emphasis on nature as a healer, technical skill development, and fostering spiritual growth. Tim highlights the importance of building a tailored approach to personal transformation and recovery, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in alternative and holistic approaches to mental health and addiction recovery. The conversation also explores the challenges and triumphs of implementing adventure recovery programs and how these experiences positively impact those struggling with substance use and mental health issues. 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"In this episode of 'Finding New Waters,' host B. Reeves teams up with New Waters Recovery to spotlight Scott Crawford, a celebrated chef and restaurateur from Raleigh, North Carolina, who turned his life around from addiction to success in the culinary world. Crawford shares his journey to sobriety, the transformative effect it had on his career and personal growth, and his efforts to reshape the restaurant industry for the better. < Back to Episodes Scott Crawford's Journey from Addiction to Culinary Success 47:30 min | Scott Crawford | Finding New Waters "In this episode of 'Finding New Waters,' host B. Reeves teams up with New Waters Recovery to spotlight Scott Crawford, a celebrated chef and restaurateur from Raleigh, North Carolina, who turned his life around from addiction to success in the culinary world. Crawford shares his journey to sobriety, the transformative effect it had on his career and personal growth, and his efforts to reshape the restaurant industry for the better. From fostering a healthier work environment to contributing significantly to the recovery community, Crawford's story is a testament to the power of resilience and the positive impact of change. Subscribe "Through time and meetings and knowledge and understanding, I started to like myself and who I was and not be ashamed of the fact that I was an alcoholic or a drug addict... I want to remove the shame and I want people to understand if they have a problem or they're suffering that they're not alone and that we talk about these things and I want people to get help" -Scott Crawford Show Notes This edition of 'Finding New Waters,' hosted by B. Reeves from New Waters Recovery, features a deep dive into the life of Scott Crawford, a renowned chef and restaurateur in Raleigh, North Carolina. Crawford shares his personal journey from battling drug and alcohol addiction to achieving sobriety and success in the culinary industry. He discusses the impact of addiction on his life and career, and how sobriety has unlocked his true potential, leading to the expansion of his restaurant group and significant contributions to the recovery community. Crawford also talks about the changes he's implemented in the industry to support a healthier work environment, the development of his restaurant concepts, and his involvement in community service through Healing Transitions. The podcast aims to shed light on the path to recovery, destigmatize addiction, and celebrate the achievements of individuals like Crawford who have turned their lives around. 00:00 The Journey from Addiction to Recovery 01:05 Introducing New Waters Recovery Podcast 01:35 Celebrity Chef Scott Crawford's Story of Triumph 03:49 The Challenges of Sobriety in the Culinary World 06:27 Finding Creative Outlets and Overcoming Fear 08:12 Navigating Sobriety in a High-Pressure Industry 15:06 The Power of Community and Support in Recovery 24:07 Transforming the Culinary Industry from Within 26:31 Promoting a Healthier Work Environment in Restaurants 28:10 The Impact of Alcohol on Restaurant Culture 29:00 Creating a Safe and Professional Workplace 30:49 Redefining Success and Recognition in the Culinary World 33:33 The Evolution of Raleigh's Restaurant Scene 37:34 Expanding Horizons: From Clayton to Airport Ventures 42:21 Looking Ahead: Growth, Challenges, and Vision for the Future Scott Crawford Links: ⁠http://www.crawfordcookshop.com/⁠(http://www.crawfordcookshop.com/) ⁠http://crawfordandsonrestaurant.com/⁠(http://crawfordandsonrestaurant.com/) ⁠https://restaurantjolie.com/⁠ (https://restaurantjolie.com/)Podcast Website: ⁠⁠https://www.findingnewwaters.com⁠ (https://www.findingnewwaters.com/)New Waters Recovery Website: ⁠⁠https://newwatersrecovery.com⁠ (https://newwatersrecovery.com/)Watch & Listen on Spotify: ⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4NOV2g85KExFWU5mTz5Gjw?si=f485f70900204da4⁠ (https://open.spotify.com/show/4NOV2g85KExFWU5mTz5Gjw?si=f485f70900204da4)Apple Podcast: ⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finding-new-waters/id1684075608⁠⁠(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finding-new-waters/id1684075608) Youtube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjfAIXtiOgy1XFcwAduXgXw⁠ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjfAIXtiOgy1XFcwAduXgXw)Youtube Music: ⁠https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuJOc6yLcjibGGAKgLYPCN47etJCY89mn&feature=share⁠ (https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuJOc6yLcjibGGAKgLYPCN47etJCY89mn&feature=share)Google Podcast: ⁠https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy9kZmI2YTk3NC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw⁠ (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy9kZmI2YTk3NC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?authuser=0)Follow Us on Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/newwatersrecovery⁠ (https://www.instagram.com/newwatersrecovery)Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/newwatersrecovery⁠⁠(https://www.facebook.com/newwatersrecovery)Linkedin: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/new-waters-recovery⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/new-waters-recovery)Tiktok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@newwatersrecovery_nc?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc⁠ (https://www.tiktok.com/@newwatersrecovery_nc?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc)For more information, to submit a question for our show, or to explore our affiliated detox center, visit the Finding New Waters website at ⁠⁠https://www.findingnewwaters.com⁠⁠(https://www.findingnewwaters.com/) and the New Waters Recovery Center at ⁠⁠https://newwatersrecovery.com⁠⁠(https://newwatersrecovery.com/). 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In the "Finding New Waters" episode, Amanda Marino inspires with her resilience and wisdom in addiction recovery. She emphasizes hope ("There's hope for everyone"), the importance of informed action, and the power of personal boundaries. Her approach to recovery as a journey of personal growth and safety is both enlightening and empowering. < Back to Episodes Navigating Recovery and Renewal with Amanda Marino 41:50 min | Amanda Marino | Finding New Waters In the "Finding New Waters" episode, Amanda Marino inspires with her resilience and wisdom in addiction recovery. She emphasizes hope ("There's hope for everyone"), the importance of informed action, and the power of personal boundaries. Her approach to recovery as a journey of personal growth and safety is both enlightening and empowering. Subscribe "I can go anywhere on my recovery and I can feel safe as long as I'm spiritually fit and I'm with the right people"-Amanda Marino Show Notes In this enlightening episode of "Finding New Waters," we welcome Amanda Marino, co-founder of Next Level Recovery Associates, as our esteemed guest. Marino shares her multifaceted journey from overcoming personal challenges to spearheading innovative approaches in addiction recovery and mental health support. Throughout the episode, Marino delves into her personal story of transformation, from her struggles with addiction to her achievements as a mother and a businesswoman. She discusses the inception of Next Level Recovery Associates, highlighting its bespoke approach to treatment that adapts to the unique needs of each individual and family. Marino emphasizes the importance of evolving recovery strategies to meet people where they are, fostering lasting change through compassion and understanding. In addition to her professional endeavors, Marino candidly opens up about her own recovery journey and how it fuels her passion for helping others. She offers insights into the challenges of balancing her role as a single mother with her professional responsibilities, underscoring the importance of self-care and personal growth in sustaining long-term recovery. Listeners will also get a glimpse into the innovative strategies employed at Next Level Recovery Associates, including their approach to sober companionship, case management, and interventions. Marino's dedication to removing stigma around addiction and mental health, both through her organization's work and her social media presence, is a recurring theme of the conversation. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the evolving landscape of addiction recovery, the power of personal transformation, and the importance of tailored approaches in treatment. Join us in exploring the depths of resilience and renewal with Amanda Marino, a true beacon of hope in the recovery community. 1. Next Level Recovery Associates - Our Team: This page provides details about Amanda Marino's role and contributions to Next Level Recovery Associates. ⁠Visit here⁠.(https://chat.openai.com/www.nextlevelrecoveryassociates.com/our-team) 2. Amanda Marino - Next Level Recovery Associates: A dedicated page about Amanda Marino, one of the founders at Next Level Recovery Associates. ⁠Visit here⁠.(https://chat.openai.com/www.nextlevelrecoveryassociates.com/amanda-marino) 3. Meet Our Co-Founder, Amanda Marino - Next Level Recovery: This section highlights the compassion, dedication, and expertise of Amanda Marino in the field of recovery. ⁠Visit here⁠.(https://chat.openai.com/www.nextlevelrecoveryassociates.com/meet-our-co-founder-amanda-marino) 4. Amanda P. 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And, uh, uh, today we have Erica Cooney, our, uh, one of our primary therapists here at New Waters Recovery, who is a licensed marriage and family therapist. And then our guest on the show is Amanda Marino, and she is the, uh, co founder of Next Level Recovery Associates. Justin Mclendon: Amanda, thank you so much for taking some time to hang out with us today. \ Amanda Marino: \\ Amanda Marino: Thank you both so much for having me. It's such an honor, um, and humbling always to be asked to do things like this. Justin Mclendon: Absolutely. So I thought we could start off, if you're open to it, maybe just tell us a little bit about you and what, what kind of brought you to the field. Justin Mclendon: What do you like? What have, what have been your experiences? Amanda Marino: Well, I, like when I speak at a, uh, like a converse and event, I say there's like two versions of me, right? So there's me, there's Amanda, the co founder, the, you know, I started a, a nonprofit for women to go back and work back to school and recovery and had that going for years. Amanda Marino: Um, [00:01:00] I decided to fill a gap in my community that really needed to happen like the before, during and after piece. And there's a lot of people that are doing it out there. And when I worked for a number of people as a contractor, like I did all the work that, that my team does, like I've done companioning, I've done all of it. Amanda Marino: And I think it gives me a different perspective. Um, and I want to continue to evolve and try new ways to meet people where they are and to try to. Make and create lasting change. So that's what our company is all about. I had this idea. I had a full time cushy job and I told my ex husband, I said, I can't make it to Christmas. Amanda Marino: I need to leave my job and start now. And I was already building it up on the side. So by the time I left in August, I couldn't really make it even close to December. Uh, I opened up my business and quickly saw that I needed a co founder and that's when I, you know, got that direct hit on a run or a spiritual hit of it has to be Blake.[00:02:00] Amanda Marino: And we've started in January of 2020 and we've been extremely, you know, fruitful and abundant since then. That's great. Justin Mclendon: That's great. Amanda Marino: And then who the other side of me is. . No, go ahead. The, the other side of me is, I'm a mom. You know, I have a, an almost 18 year old son who was 18 months old when I got clean and sober. Amanda Marino: He'll be 18 on the 18th. This, this month. Love that. I have an 11 year old daughter. Um, you know, I'm a single mom, a homeowner. I love to be active. I love to adventure. I love to travel. Um, and I just love to live life to the fullest and, and be happy and free. So that's who I really am. Justin Mclendon: I love that. I love that. Justin Mclendon: Yeah, I'm a, I'm a father myself and, uh, yeah, I mean, that's, uh, we have to balance that, right? I mean, as much as I love the work that I do and the people that we get to help, I mean, like, uh, you know, being a parent and doing those things is, is amazing for sure. Uh, can you tell us a little bit about next level recovery? Justin Mclendon: [00:03:00] So I know you mentioned, uh, Sober Companion. I know you guys also do an intervention work, um, case management, things like that. So why don't you tell us a little bit about, you know, what is next level recovery do? Amanda Marino: So we are a boutique concierge, you know, um, programming that is designed, you know, once we do an assessment with an individual and a family that we create a custom plan for. Amanda Marino: So it can be before treatment, we start working with them during treatment and after, or we can do all of the above. And sometimes it's in place of, so if somebody has been to. So many treatments and they, their struggle is like applying what their aftercare plan is or applying what they've learned into the real life. Amanda Marino: We can kind of handhold them, right? Our coaches and our companions can handhold them and then like titrate down on how we do that because we don't want to coddle and be codependent. But I'll tell you a lot of the people we're dealing with today, I think it's after the COVID thing, it made it worse.[00:04:00] Amanda Marino: They're terrified to, to, like, take this sheet of, like, an aftercare paper and, and, and take those action steps by themselves. So they're scared to get jobs. They're, um, you know, they're scared to rekindle with their family. And so... We saw a need in our community. Like, there's a lot of people that do this all over the country, but in South Florida, there was really nobody doing what we did like as a hub. Amanda Marino: There's people that had like maybe a main office in New York or LA or Cal or just different places. But there was like, I'm from here and Blake's from here. So we work here in South Florida, but we also work a lot in New York, a lot in Texas, a lot in California and overseas. Um. You know, and the, uh, in Europe and as well as South America, we have a Latin team, uh, a Spanish speaking team as well. Amanda Marino: So we're just constantly trying to, um, improve. The way that we all do this, and we feel like it's our [00:05:00] responsibility as people that have a pretty strong social media presence to help remove stigma, to help educate people, to help people not feel alone, because it's a lot less intimidating to send a direct message to somebody. Amanda Marino: Then it is to pick up the phone. And I've had a lot of like attorneys and professionals over the years on LinkedIn that they've never told anyone they're super high functioning. Right. And they send a message, you know, like, Hey, I need help, but I don't want anyone to know I don't want to lose my, and I try to tell them like, you're not going to lose your license, but they don't believe me. Amanda Marino: So we've tried to really, and we continue to continually evolve, right? We're all, we're meeting about our clients every week and we're always trying to do better. Justin Mclendon: That's awesome. So what does that look like for a client when a client reaches out? I know you mentioned it could be before treatment or after, uh, but like if a client that's in, in potential need of your services, they reach out to you and kind of, what does that process look like? Amanda Marino: Well, since we've grown, we now have a couple of people in [00:06:00] place. So myself and Blake. focus is overseeing the whole company and overseeing every case. Um, we no longer take on our own clients. Um, just there was no way to travel the country this year. And for Blake to start his doctorate program for us to continue at the capacity we were right. Amanda Marino: So we took a long time to get our select hand selected. We hand select everyone that works for us. We don't have a large list of contractors. We know everybody that's on our. Our list of people that we use and we know them and what they're, what makes them tick, what they're going to client clients are going to align with. Amanda Marino: So, so Sarah, who, uh, was a nurse, she does all of our first screenings and she's our team and family manager. So everything starts and begins with either Sarah or Danielle. Uh, Sarah Frias or Danielle Muldeen and Danielle is our clinical outreach. Danielle went to school, got her bachelor's in psychology and then her master's in special education and then decided, I don't want to do, I don't want [00:07:00] to teach this. Amanda Marino: And so then she started working for a, another company for a while. And then when she came to me, I'm like, Oh my God, look at you would have. She's like, I never thought I'd ever use my degree. And look like this is. This is special and you're teaching and you're sure. And the psychology piece. So we have found these, like, there's a video, I don't know if you checked out my Instagram, but there's a video made the other day, which like literally melts my heart. Amanda Marino: It was an idea I had that says, or each team member at this lunch would say I am next level. I am next level. I am next level. And so it goes through all of that. And then it shows the end. Our videographer did like everybody saying it at the same time. Oh, that's beautiful. Level. And like, I'm not on it and Blake's on it because we're big on like lifting up our team. Amanda Marino: We want to highlight that and make it more about. them than it is about us these days, because they're the magic. Yeah, Justin Mclendon: absolutely. Completely agree. You know, I would say, you know, obviously at New Waters, I mean, we do detox, we do assessments, and everybody is an outbound [00:08:00] referral, right? So, you know, working with the families, with the client on the front end to help them, you know, make the decision to come into treatment. Justin Mclendon: But then we're just kind of the starting point, right? So, you know, what you're talking about, just kind of the idea of like sober companionship, case management, uh, even sometimes interventions on the front end, um, we, we definitely see the value in those types of services. Uh, and you know, I could speak for hours about this, but. Justin Mclendon: You know, since everybody is an outbound referral, obviously people are at different places in their level of motivation for change or to take that next step in their recovery. And then we also see, unfortunately, with the disease of addiction, we just see a lot of recidivism, uh, the word that I'm looking for that I can't remember right now. Justin Mclendon: I know what you mean. Amanda Marino: You know what I'm saying. I would try to say it, but then I'm going to butcher it. Justin Mclendon: We'll just move past that, right? Um, so there we go. There we go. Justin Mclendon: So, you know, we want to obviously all of us, I think, right? We want to lower that. We want to [00:09:00] see people be successful, you know, take that first step and be able to see progress as they move forward. Justin Mclendon: And that is one service. I think that a lot of time is very valuable in helping people reach that goal. That a lot of people just don't take advantage of is that, you know, for maybe different reasons and maybe you could speak to this, but, you know, maybe feeling like, uh, you know, they can do it on their own, right? Justin Mclendon: Or just not being willing to ask for that additional layer of help, or to think, you know, to be in the mindset that if I just do detox and residential, I should be cured and fine. Uh, but a lot of times having someone that can be there as a resource and provide additional support and accountability can just be such a huge help in this process. Amanda Marino: Yeah, well, I'm going to kind of backtrack because a few things that you said came up. So the first thing is like, you know, doing what the services you do, detox and residential, right? So your admissions team and like your, you know, intake staff and your, you know, detox therapist noticed on the front end that this family.[00:10:00] Amanda Marino: is definitely needs your family program, but is way too much. They're lighting your phone up. They don't understand. They're not educated. We're called often then to kind of step in and then we support, and we're a third party voice of whatever your clinical recommendations are. So now they have two different organizations that have no association with each other, except for their trusted partners, giving the same messaging. Amanda Marino: Right. Um, so that's one way where. providers will call us and be like, Amanda, like, we need you guys to like, we, so we have a family coach, we have a psychiatrist, we have a psychologist, we have a dietitian. And then we have coaches and, you know, companions that are, are, are specialties to everything. And then on the back end, you know, people go home and sometimes they go home to their house still with who knows what in it still, right? Amanda Marino: Like, are there, is there paraphernalia, is there stashes? Like, We go, we do this thing where we'll go home with people, clean up their house, like get them settled, start doing, implementing that plan, making sure they make their first few therapist appointments, they're making meetings, you know, they're [00:11:00] meeting people, um, they're not isolating because that's the easiest and most common thing to do. Amanda Marino: And especially if there's no, like, we had a couple clients recently that were, that came in themselves, right? And there was no family involvement, but I quickly saw, like, we need to have somebody in the family. For support and for backup, right? If it's just like an adult male or adult female that comes to us in one services, we still need somebody else for their protection to be involved. Amanda Marino: Right. And so we, we do clinical staffings every single week and we look at, okay, what's working, what's not, is this the right coach for the person? Do we need to change something? Maybe change therapists. Like we go through all that stuff with our psychologists and, um. And usually the people that come to us, this is not their first go around. Amanda Marino: Unfortunately, I wish someone called me on their first go around. Um, oftentimes the adolescence I deal with, but it's not their first problem experience. Right. I would love for some, a family [00:12:00] to call me with their kids, 17 years old, and like us to give them the support, education, them to have family therapy, family coaching, you know, have a companion coach that could take their kid out a few days a week and then learn how to. Amanda Marino: You know, live life and, and some of those skills that those with the substance use disorder miss along the way. Justin Mclendon: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Um, so we were chatting a little bit before we started the episode and you were talking about just this idea of like stigma. And, uh, you know, I think, you know, along the same lines of the conversation we're having, like those barriers are those things that keep people from moving forward or. Justin Mclendon: Uh, you know, reduce their level of motivation or, you know, maybe sometimes keep them stuck in patterns of thought and behavior. I wonder if you wanted to maybe just, just chime in a little bit about that. What are your thoughts on stigma and, uh, maybe how that's causing some issues for people? Amanda Marino: Well, I know, you know, like I was 10 years ago, I was like one of the first people that talked about being LinkedIn, uh, [00:13:00] on LinkedIn. Amanda Marino: And like, I would get these Matt, like I'm talking a hundred thousand comment kind of post. Wow. And I was like. Scared to do it. And then I did it, but I realized, wow, like I'm making an impact here. Like people are seeing this put together woman and oh no, she couldn't be a drug addict. And like, I want to show that, Hey, like what you see today isn't what walked in the door 16 years ago, but this is what can happen. Amanda Marino: And like, you know, I have people say, well, you shouldn't say all these things, but you know, there's always the, the timers and the, you shouldn't. You know, set people's standards too high and let them not meet up. Like, just cause you graduated college and you did all this stuff. Does it mean every, okay, well, you know, I'm just letting them know it's possible, like from a girl that thought she was too stupid and too damaged and broken to met and messed up to get this thing too, not smart enough to go back to college and all the things I've been able to accomplish in spite of all my self defeating beliefs. Amanda Marino: Um, so I've, I've utilized things like that to try to break stigma, right? Um, or it's the, the [00:14:00] person that suffers with, with. You know, it's usually complex things. You know, nowadays it's, um, way more than just dual diagnosis, right? There's so many pieces and like, it's okay. Like we all hurt. We're all going through something. Amanda Marino: And, um, what's really been fueled up in me lately is this whole black and white. mentality. Um, I'll let you chime in before I dig into that. Cause I'm going to go down the raft. Justin Mclendon: Well, I'm interested exactly where you're going with that. So black and white. I mean, I have my own thoughts, but I'm wondering what do you, what do you mean by that? Justin Mclendon: Right. Um, I mean, yeah, I mean, I immediately, what jumps up for me is I think, you know, just kind of working in this field for a long time now, I mean, there's kind of this. old school way of thinking about things. And, and, uh, it's, I think it is really important that people start, uh, I mean, it's nice to see that there are, there is some movement that is very needed, but I think a lot of people are really stuck in the past still, unfortunately.[00:15:00] In this field for almost 20 years now, and I am a trauma therapist. I am. I joke when I'm here and say, you know, done a lot of trauma work. My entire career has been in trauma. I just happen to be at a detox center now. And so the component that I'm bringing to new waters is this trauma way of thinking and every behavior serves a purpose. It started somewhere and it's was helpful at one point. And now it's no longer helpful. Let's figure out why. And let's figure out this new skill that you can develop so that you can move forward. And everything is data. It's all it is, is data. That's how I start to phrase things with our clients. And when we were talking before the episode, I was really digging what you're saying. So I can't wait for everyone else to hear what you're saying, because I think this is where we need to go Amanda Marino: in this field. Well, thank you for the work you do. I have been in trauma therapy since age seven, um, I'm 42, so that's a [00:16:00] very long time of in and out. I've now been with my current therapist for three and a half years. Amanda Marino: That's one piece to anyone in this field is have a therapist. Yes, absolutely. Like I'm taking myself on a personal retreat to Costa Rica in December by myself. Right. No friends and nothing. So I'm really big on, on all of that as professionals. Right. Like we have to do our own work. Because what good. Amanda Marino: Absolutely. If I'm. Broken and a mess, you know, I'm a night and I am a broken mess sometimes. Right. But I, I tune in and figure out what I need. Do I need more rest? Do I need to take time off? You know? Um, so the black and white thing, and I'm the first one to. to take ownership that I was born and raised in my personal recovery in a very black and white methodology. Amanda Marino: And I preach that if you didn't do what I did, you weren't doing it, right? We're gonna die. Right. And I like firmly I mean, and I maybe I needed that for a time of my [00:17:00] recovery. I needed it to be that black and white for me to stay safe. Um, but there was like, there's been countless situations that I look back at and wish that I had been more educated and more open minded. Amanda Marino: Like I recently I did, I've had a slew of weekends of nonprofit events. I had like a pick a ball tournament for charity that I, we bought, we, we did. Then I went to Fort Myers, the West coast of Florida to speak for my best friend's dad. Um, my best friend died of an overdose in 2016. Kim. 2016 Kim Kinkle and her dad, Al and I are still really close and I had started my nonprofit in her name that sent women in recovery to college and that fizzled out and, um, it was a dark, ugly experience. Amanda Marino: Nonprofit is a business. It's not, it's not fun and games. And when you get into the business, you know, and I kind of got my heart broken in that experience. Um, but now Kim's dad, a few years ago started an RCO. Um, recovery community organization in Fort Myers called Kimmy's Recovery [00:18:00] Zone, and I got the honor to go be their keynote speaker this year. Amanda Marino: And one of the things I shared was if I would have been educated the way I am now, I would have been able to support Kim in a different way, and I think she'd still be alive in today's recovery, Lance, right? Because I didn't understand why would you stay on something when you want to be sober, you know, and I think a lot of people are that way. Amanda Marino: And our experience and our We can't do that as professionals. Like we, we can't, and I'll meet someone else, a friend, a client and anybody with so much love, but to undo it in myself and give myself the grace has been the hardest. Right. So, um. I keep getting these women in my life with long term recovery that feel like they're not doing it right or they're not doing it good enough because it didn't look like the way it once did. Amanda Marino: And if you're waking up every day and like you're trying to take care of yourself, you're trying to be a better [00:19:00] person, um, you know, you're going to therapy or you're taking, doing self care things, you're making meetings when you can, like, I think that that's all incredible. Um, and I want to honor people that are hard on themselves that like I'm not doing enough because like maybe there's a person in the rooms that maybe is telling you that you're not doing enough. Amanda Marino: Cause I got someone tried to bully me the other night and I'm like, I'm not the one I was at an eight 30 meeting and they were like, we'll see you at the seven a. m. I go, the hell you won't. I'll be sleeping. If I'm going to an eight 30 PM meeting and I'm going to be going out to dinner, I'm, I know myself. Amanda Marino: I need rest. You're not going to bully me. What would you have done for your hit or what would you have done for your, and I'm like, that is so not relevant to me. Like you go bring that shit to somebody else, you know, so, but there's not a lot of people that feel strong enough in that, like in their conviction and know who they are. Amanda Marino: So I see there, I see how we can do better, you know, I see how we can do better and how we can meet. More with compassion, love [00:20:00] over like conviction and crucifixion and shame, shaming people like it's, it's, it's taken people out the door and they're scared to come back. Justin Mclendon: It is, especially when, um. People are already coming in with so much shame to begin with. Justin Mclendon: Uh, I'm, I'm with you, Amanda. I think, you know, why in the world would we try and add to that? Because I think a lot of what you're saying, and I think we, we do see this, right? Is, uh, all we're doing is just adding to that shame, right? We're adding to that shame, we're adding to that, you know, uh, not feeling good enough, not going to be able to make it. Justin Mclendon: Uh, all those things that that person is struggling with anyway. And then we're just kind of, you know, validating that for them, right? We're furthering the cycle. A hundred percent. We're not breaking the cycle. And that's the whole purpose of what we're trying to do is break those cycles and let's move forward and find where we can find that inner peace that we're looking for and that self love that you keep talking about, Amanda. Yeah, Amanda Marino: it's about peace and freedom and like being happy with like who's in the mirror. And [00:21:00] we're one organization that we decided some years back that like, I will take a client on that says to me, Hey. I want to, I think I want to, I don't want to admit I'm an alcoholic. I don't want to talk about that. Amanda Marino: Like, but I want to explore my relationship with alcohol. I will take that woman on or man, I will take them just because they don't want to be completely sober. I'm not going to turn them away because this has given me an opportunity for them. to figure this out themselves, right? I will, we'll take on clients that, you know, want to try to continue to smoke pot. Amanda Marino: Like we will try to, you know, fill their time with good things and have the therapy and the medication and, and kind of like come up with a way that like. We're not making it so it's like an all day thing, right? Like if they are doing it, maybe they're just doing it at night as to where they're doing it all day because they have nothing going on and nothing to do and no goals and no focus. Amanda Marino: So we're, I know there's other organizations that if someone's not willing to commit to the complete, Um, abstinence that people won't work with them and I, I will take [00:22:00] people if they're willing to get better and like, you know, in many programs, it's like a desire, right? So if someone has a desire for improvement and puts in some work, I'm willing to work with them and, you know, of course, if it's safe, but usually these are like high functional people that like aren't convinced that, you know, right. Amanda Marino: They can fix themselves and they can figure it out. They're going to find it. But let's, let's, let's undo that. You know, let's let them figure that out for themselves. I don't want to tell you what you are and you aren't. You need to tell yourself that. Justin Mclendon: Because I think that's where the power comes from anyway, right? Justin Mclendon: I mean, it's, it's all fine and dandy to sit back and share your clinical, you know, opinion with someone, right? But, uh, if, if they have to come to believe these things for their self, right? They have to come to develop a desire to want to change in the ways that they are going to find value, right? Uh, and that, I think that at the end of the day, that's the only thing that's important and that's the only thing that's going to be effective, right? Amanda Marino: I want to see more people live. Amen. I want to see more people make it. Absolutely. And if they're alive, there's [00:23:00] a chance and if there's progress, that's beautiful. If it's not perfect and it's kind of ugly sometimes, that's okay. If there's, you know, if there's, or I, I'm going to not use like, I had to, I changed, I spoke for a women's program with moms and kids the other night, like a pretty, you know, like, you know, ankle bracelets, like all that stuff. Amanda Marino: This one girl was like, I'm a chronic relapser. And I was like, I, I reached out to her after I go, let's change that narrative love, let's change it to your chronic recovery seeker, you know, cause that you're are, you're just beating yourself up for how many times you've been in and out and that that's right there alone is going to make you feel shameful, you know, and as a mom, forget it, we've, we feel way more shame when we're in addiction as a mother, it's brutal. Amanda Marino: Um, yeah, it's, uh. It's, it's heavy stuff, but it's, um, like, I'm not scared to put this out there and I'm not scared to have someone challenge. Like I put a video, another thing I had put a video up of, I went to a therapist friend's birthday [00:24:00] dinner the other night and it was all went, you know, the women that the three of us that were left over and went out dancing for a half hour, we were all in recovery. Amanda Marino: I went to this funny little place in Palm Beach Island. Are you down here? Cause I saw you at a five, six, one Justin Mclendon: number. No, I'd lived in in Palm Beach County for like 16 Amanda Marino: years, you know, like Kachina, do you know Kachina? Like yes, very familiar So I went to Kachina for like a half hour and I had this video where I took and I was walking through the wine Cellar area of this restaurant in Palm Beach. Amanda Marino: I was just realized like how cool is it that like I probably wouldn't even notice this, but I was like waiting for somebody in the bathroom. So I like videoed me walking through the wine cellar and I was like, I can go anywhere on my recovery and I can feel safe as long as I'm spiritually fit and I'm with the right people. Amanda Marino: And of course someone was like, you shouldn't be, you know, put teetering on your recovery. You're, you know, you're asking for it. And I'm like, no, I don't like, I don't live like that. That's not how it is for me. Like if I did feel comfortable, like I have a boyfriend who drinks, if I don't feel comfortable that day, I won't go hang out with his friends if they're drinking. Amanda Marino: Um, And then there's other times where I don't care at all. [00:25:00] And like I was there to dance. I was there for a good meal. Like those are the things that brought me there. I'm not going to live for me. I don't judge if someone else isn't comfortable with that. That's up to them. I'm not going to live in a box, but i'm also not going to go to like a dive bar Or like, you know, there's certain places i'm not going to put myself, you know, but I want to go to nice restaurants I want to go to I want to dance. Amanda Marino: I was a hip hop dancer professionally. So like I love that. That's awesome I think it's important for all of us to remember, right, we're all on our own journey, and what works for one person is not going to work for somebody else, and we all have our own way of getting to where we need to be, and we all need to have some sort of faith that we'll get to where we need to be. And the freedom to choose to get to where we need to be, right? And not feel, because the more we constrict, the more we're going to fight back in a way and rebel. Because most people in recovery are like, nope, you ain't going to tell me what to do, right? And so it's just making sure everyone has a freedom to choose. And when they feel that freedom, you'll be [00:26:00] amazed where people will go. Amanda Marino: Yeah, it's like, I feel like there's a delicate balance with like the freedom, but like also certain some like non negotiables, right? Like, like, you know, commitment to your, to your personal growth, like stay like, you know, But freedom to like, we want our clients input. Amanda Marino: We want to know what they like, what they connect with, what's working for them. Like we want them to have a say in their care because if they have a say in their care, they're much more apt to take it much more serious. And like, don't feel like they're just being like, you still have this day. Tell me what to do. Amanda Marino: And I really don't like it. Tell me I can't do something. And then I'm. going to show you how great I can do it. Um, it's just, it's just in my being, even though all the work I've done, it's just still in there. Right. It's about having boundaries, right? Cause the more it's about boundaries, allow us to know the freedom we can have. I think that was one of the most important things I've ever learned. Amanda Marino: Absolutely. Absolutely. And then like, you know, kind of just on that to, to add to like the kind of way that [00:27:00] we do things. So there's this big, you know, thing that's been going on a long time. I was in an adolescent program, a TC model, very abusive, very awful. Amanda Marino: And so there's this thing that still goes on in this country, the whole like snatch and grab adolescents in the middle of the night and do transports. Like we don't do that. Okay. So like how we, we do. Maybe there's some cases that it's needed. I'm just very not for it as a traumatized teen who was sent to a traumatizing program, um, that did the opposite of what I needed to, like if I. Amanda Marino: You know, the programs that are around today are such so much more loving and hear the kids and call the parents out and it just, it just wasn't like that back then, but we, you know, a teenager's family calls us and if it's just like some behavioral and some problematic using, it's nothing that's dangerous that like needs detox or anything, we will tell the family, let's set up a meeting where we're going to come by, like if there's an older sibling, like let's include everybody and come and by that time, once we've dug in with the family, we know what's going on. Amanda Marino: Okay. We have a plan proposal, [00:28:00] like listen, we want you to do this for two, three weeks, like, you know, meet up with a coach, go to a therapist, go to a psychiatrist, like have a, this cur, this time you come in the house, like you don't do, and let them have a say in their, in what they want to say, cause they always have something to say too, and hear them out, and then when we tell them treatments on the table, that if these things don't work, we're coming back to get you, and we're taking you to residential treatment, Anytime we come back, they go willing because they've proven to themselves that they can't, they can't put it this way. Amanda Marino: Let me tell you, we don't have kids blow up and we're not traumatizing kids, you know? Which Justin Mclendon: is huge. Yeah, absolutely. That's all Amanda Marino: I wanted. That's all I wanted as a broken, abused teenager was somebody to hear me and understand me and like love me where I was at. I hated myself. Justin Mclendon: Absolutely. Yeah. And like you said, I mean, thank goodness, right, that there has been for a number of years and there seems to [00:29:00] be some, some movement, especially in the adolescent treatment and things like that, the word things are moving in more of a, you know, loving direction and meeting kids where they are. Justin Mclendon: But you still do hear of these programs that do these, like you were saying, like these snatch and grab things. I think, I think some of the wilderness programs still kind of do operate like that. And like, it's, uh. Yeah, I've been Amanda Marino: called and asked for and I told them, absolutely not. We, my team does not do that. Amanda Marino: I'm not putting my team in that situation. That's traumatizing. And I'm not putting a kid in that situation from somebody who was physically abused, sexually abused. My sister was kidnapped. Like I am not putting some other kid through that shit. I'm not doing it. Absolutely. Justin Mclendon: Completely agree with you. Um, Amanda, one thing I wanted to touch base on, I know we're kind of getting close to the end of our time here, but I know that you, uh, you did. Justin Mclendon: A show in the past, but I think you have not, if you want not, not sure if you wanna do a plug for that or anything, but you have a, yeah, a show that you've been working on. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Amanda Marino: There's a little, like the little story that leads up to, but it's [00:30:00] not super long. I'm not a long Sure. Amanda Marino: Go for it. Thank God. So I was in acting and modeling from ages four to 22. Um, I started like runway, did commercials, print work, hip hop videos, dance in concerts for like Britney Spears Kid Rock. I danced for Rick Cool. And, um, sugar Red, like all these famous kit, like I did a performance for KISS in Jamaica for something. Amanda Marino: But anyway, so all these, I, I had this whole like. You know, for me, my using wasn't all awful. I had a lot of fun. Um, and so I, my last audition I went to in my addiction, I completely was like up from the night before and completely embarrassed myself. And it was something I was really shameful about. Like I had all of this opportunity and all of this talent and I like ruined it with so many people in that field. Amanda Marino: And um, I had a dream when I came into recovery of being back in on screen and being in entertainment of some kind of sorts and giving back and being a woman of substance, not objectified for being a young, good looking, you know, [00:31:00] flawless body, 18 year old, but for being like a woman of substance. Right. Amanda Marino: And I came in, I was 200 pounds and I had a face full of acne. I was two 30 actually. Um, I didn't even look like myself when I came into recovery. But I worked really hard and I, I remember manifesting 14 years ago that I wanted to be on the show intervention. Okay. And I, um, I got, I did a few auditions for it over the years, but during the COVID time, and then the did I I'm trained in, um, you know, gaming. Amanda Marino: addiction, gaming disorder and, and social media addiction. So I got called for that show and I worked a season doing that show and it was like my toe in the water. It was kind of a take spin off of intervention, but a little different cause you're dealing with different kinds of cases. I got to work with three women on that and that's out on a and a that's been, it's on on demand. Amanda Marino: You can find it. I had a friend tell me she was watching it the other day to educate her boyfriend on mental health. And, uh, and then I just finished, um, a month ago I did my last out of three [00:32:00] episodes for intervention that's coming up in on A& E and also is streaming, I think, on Netflix and Hulu. Um, I got to be the intervention professional for three episodes. Amanda Marino: Um, and working with some individuals that were in horrific situations. I was in Memphis, New Hampshire, and like Weaverville, California, which is like a very big meth place. So some places that like, I mean, Memphis don't go, I thought it wasn't going to be like Nashville. I got really. And I was like, this is not total. Amanda Marino: You're not in Nashville anymore. Um, it was scary. It was scary. We had bodyguards and stuff like that. Like it was, it was like top five dangerous, most dangerous cities right now. And like, Oh wow. They almost pulled, they almost pulled it. But, um, I got to make an impact in these people's lives and people that could never have afforded treatment living in under bridges, living in trap houses, like. Amanda Marino: The amount of trap houses and kids living in them [00:33:00] and the stuff that's going on literally all over our country. I think like I knew it, you know, but when you see it, it's, it's, it's on another level. Like we think this stuff goes on only in third world countries and no, it is going on in a city near you. Amanda Marino: everywhere. And the Child Protective Services can't keep up with this stuff. Like, um, so working on that show for me, because I work with mostly very, you know, high profile, like, you know, people in entertainment, high pro, you know, high wealth, net worth families, because they are very complex and have a lot more, you know, they have a lot of things going on that they need additional support. Amanda Marino: So it's very Interesting to me is that there's so different ends of the spectrum. The person living in the bridge or under in the trap houses, no access or no idea about any resources. And then they individual that has access to everything. Right. And they both still struggle [00:34:00] the same. Right. And, um, and so it was really good for me to see what I saw. Amanda Marino: I have like passion to create change in that area. I don't know what it looks like yet, but I don't think that we should have this going on all over our country and kids should be. You know, going through the situations I was in seeing drugs at a young age having abuse, you know And that's just going on everywhere and they came there's like an area of Memphis My friend told me they won't even go in if no one's called. Amanda Marino: It's that scary. Oh wow. Like it's happening here. Like we're seeing like all this horrible stuff that's going on overseas and it's it's hideous and awful I can't even turn the news on but there is That going on literally in a neighborhood near all of us all the time. Yeah. Justin Mclendon: Absolutely. Mm hmm. It is. It's awful. Amanda Marino: There is hope. There's hope for the ones that have it all and, and don't want it because they have it all. It's hard to give them bottom lines. And then the ones that don't have access to resources, like if [00:35:00] anyone calls me, like even when we were filming the show, there was a girl that popped up that, um, I can't say too much cause it's not out yet, but there was a girl that popped up that wasn't part of the show that like I even offered help to. Amanda Marino: Cause I didn't want to leave her. I was like, Hey, here's my number. Like I know that you're not part of this, but like, I don't want to leave you here. So if you want help, I'll find you something, call me, you know, and I'll do my best. You know, not everyone can is, is a next level recovery associates client, but like anyone that calls me for anything, our team will always make sure that they have. Amanda Marino: Some kind of plan or path or phone numbers to call that can meet their needs. Absolutely. Justin Mclendon: That's amazing I'll definitely I'm looking forward to watching the episode. So I'll I'll keep my eye out for that. I Amanda Marino: mean, listen I'll tell you if anyone has a preconceived notion in our industry of the show it is the most caring Wonderful production team ever. Amanda Marino: They were crying. They were crying when [00:36:00] things were going down. They were so compassionate and kind and non judgmental when they were, you know, filming certain things. And I mean, I was blown away by the love and what they didn't know. They would ask us and they never pretended like it was their area of expertise. Amanda Marino: And I just have the utmost respect for all of the team, the camera crew, the sound people, the producers, like they were just like, yeah, They're like part of my extended family now too. Like I love them. Justin Mclendon: That's awesome. That is amazing. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that with us. Well, Amanda, thank you, uh, for spending some time with us, taking some time out of your busy schedule to, to chat with myself and Erica. Justin Mclendon: Um, I always kind of like to wrap these up. So, you know, I think that the big thing is for the podcast is to make it available for, you know, education purposes and resources for families or people that are kind of currently struggling and kind of exploring what that option may look like. Obviously some professionals watch it as well, but if you had to kind of leave the audience with one idea or one thing, I know not to [00:37:00] put you on the spot, like what would be that one thing that you would say? Justin Mclendon: Okay, go for it. Amanda Marino: Well, there's, there's two things, so of course, there's never one thing with me. So one thing for people that are struggling and addiction that like maybe have been in and out always, if you're clean and sober today, and there's some funky idea you have in your head and there's something you haven't told anyone, you need to tell at least one person. Amanda Marino: What's really going on the thoughts. The thing doesn't have to be the whole wide world. Doesn't have to be a group. It could be whoever you feel safe and you could tell this person this thing and this person this thing. So there's no right and wrong way to do it. Just make sure you talk about the things that you need to come out. Amanda Marino: That's that's going out to people that are struggling for families or for anyone that's searching. Like if you can and you do have the resources, family coaching, family therapy, wraparound services, case management, you, we don't want to be at next level recover associates. We don't want to be a band aid. Amanda Marino: Our goal is to create lasting [00:38:00] change within in the individual, the family system or on the corporate space. So, you know, do it right and do it right the first time. Don't go on Google. Ask a trusted professional that you know, or somebody that's been through it before word of mouth. You're going to get the best. Amanda Marino: You know, it just terrifies me when I hear, you know, families search on Google and be current because what a program used to be. Two years ago, it could have been sold and changed and gutted and have new staff. So be, you know, people like us who tour programs all the time are up to date with what's what and what's current. Amanda Marino: So, um, you know, the more health, the better, the longer term, the support and oversight, the better rates of living a long, happy, beautiful life. It's like, if you're gonna do this, do it right and do it. Absolutely. All the way. Words of wisdom. Or if you've done it 10, or if you've done it 10 times, this time, let's do it right. Amanda Marino: You know, and make it the last time. Cause you know, sometimes the people that come to us are just like [00:39:00] so done that they don't believe anything's going to work. Just don't give up hope. There's hope for everyone. Justin Mclendon: There you go. I love that. Thank you, Amanda. Appreciate it. Erica, Amanda Marino: thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And it was really great to meet you and I look forward to following you on IG. Amanda Marino: Yeah, definitely. And I'd like, you know, I've known Graham and Chloe a very long time since they live down here. Um, so, you know, I know there's been some talk of, of myself or someone from my team coming up to see you guys. So I'd love to thank you for the work you're doing. Amanda Marino: And thank you for doing trauma work for 20 years. That means you have to do extra self care like I do. You know, sometimes these things expect us to know the answers to everything. And sometimes we don't know the answers and that's okay. Justin Mclendon: Absolutely. Very good. Thank you both. Thank

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In this particularly enriching episode of "The Waters Cast," Dr. Harold Hong and Justin Mclendon invite the audience on a contemplative journey into the depths of spirituality and its profound impact on therapeutic practices. Their special guest, Amanda Cumbo, stands out with her dual expertise in therapy and spirituality, offering listeners a unique blend of insights from both realms. < Back to Episodes Exploring the Intersections of Spirituality and Therapy with Amanda Cumbo 1:03 hour | Amanda Cumbo | Finding New Waters In this particularly enriching episode of "The Waters Cast," Dr. Harold Hong and Justin Mclendon invite the audience on a contemplative journey into the depths of spirituality and its profound impact on therapeutic practices. Their special guest, Amanda Cumbo, stands out with her dual expertise in therapy and spirituality, offering listeners a unique blend of insights from both realms. Subscribe "The different types of love—eros, philo, and agape—are foundational elements of our soul, and understanding them is not only therapeutic but transformative." - Amanda Cumbo Show Notes In this particularly enriching episode of "The Waters Cast," Dr. Harold Hong and Justin Mclendon invite the audience on a contemplative journey into the depths of spirituality and its profound impact on therapeutic practices. Their special guest, Amanda Cumbo, stands out with her dual expertise in therapy and spirituality, offering listeners a unique blend of insights from both realms. **Key Highlights:** - **Types of Love in Soul Healing:** Amanda breaks down the foundational elements of love into three categories – eros (romantic love), philo (brotherly love), and agape (unconditional love). She provides insight into how understanding and channeling these forms of love can be therapeutic and transformative. - **Challenges in Establishing Healthy Connections:** The discussion shifts to the real-world difficulties many individuals face in creating and maintaining genuine, healthy relationships, stemming from tumultuous backgrounds or chaotic family histories. - **Introduction to Body-based Therapeutic Strategies:** Amanda shares the benefits of body-centered therapeutic practices. One such innovative approach she introduces is the Mates Brain Regulation Program, illustrating its profound impact on therapy sessions and overall healing. - **Spirituality Beyond Belief Systems:** As the dialogue progresses, a striking revelation emerges – that spirituality isn't just limited to what one believes. It extends to the essence of how one leads their life, interacts with others, and the choices they make daily. - **Finding Peace in a Chaotic World:** Dr. Hong, Justin, and Amanda explore the concept of inner peace. They delve into the differences between the temporary calm between storms versus true, enduring peace, emphasizing how spirituality can guide individuals towards the latter. The episode culminates with Dr. Harold Hong and Justin Mclendon acknowledging Amanda Cumbo's unparalleled expertise in seamlessly fusing spirituality and therapy. This combination, they suggest, holds immense potential for individuals seeking holistic healing and a state of inner tranquility. For those eager to delve deeper, the Broadridge family Christian counseling practice and additional resources linked to Amanda's work are available in the show notes. 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